MF & WE Team World Championship

[nahouw]

Here's the link:

http://www.fencing2008.org.cn/en/index.html

[Craig]

Thanks. The US lost to France 45-33 to take 8th. We didn't send our A team there though. I guess the USFA and fencers decided that sending the Senior A team to China right after Jr. Worlds would be too much.

Craig

[erooMynohtnA]

So what's with the weak US team?

Also, I don't like the site navigation, where just a list of 1st, 2nd, 3rd ...?

[teacup]

Maybe it was self funded. It could be very expensive and the results do not count towards team selection next year. So each fencer would make their own decision as to whether or not to attend.

[nahouw]

Originally Posted by Craig

Thanks. The US lost to France 45-33 to take 8th. We didn't send our A team there though. I guess the USFA and fencers decided that sending the Senior A team to China right after Jr. Worlds would be too much.

I think that it was individual fencer's choice -- both Courtney and Kelley Hurley are there.

[Jvanhousen]

In case you ever wanted to know how to spell "Mud" in Russian, that would be: "GRIDNEV"

http://imagesx.sports.cn/File/2008/04/18/2052075642.pdf

[oso97]

Originally Posted by Jvanhousen

In case you ever wanted to know how to spell "Mud" in Russian, that would be: "GRIDNEV"

http://imagesx.sports.cn/File/2008/04/18/2052075642.pdf

Be interesting to learn why the sub was put in...

[Capt. Slo-mo]

Originally Posted by teacup

Maybe it was self funded. It could be very expensive and the results do not count towards team selection next year. So each fencer would make their own decision as to whether or not to attend.

I don't know about the funding, but you'll notice there were a number of "declines to attend" of those chosen for the original team selections.

[KD5MDK]

Originally Posted by nahouw

I think that it was individual fencer's choice -- both Courtney and Kelley Hurley are there.

Right, but that's not our top Men's Foil team.

[Mr Epee]

Originally Posted by oso97

Be interesting to learn why the sub was put in...

No chance at the gold medal.
Ten point lead.

Who cares...


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[nahouw]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Right, but that's not our top Men's Foil team.

Right, and that is because probably the higher ranked fencers declined to attend

I was responding to Craig who had said "I guess the USFA and fencers decided that sending the Senior A team to China right after Jr. Worlds would be too much."

[ACrimsonRapier]

Originally Posted by Mr Epee

No chance at the gold medal.
Ten point lead.

Who cares...

I don't know, look at the score in the Poland v Russia match, and the final outcome. ^_^

[Craig]

Originally Posted by oso97

Be interesting to learn why the sub was put in...

Looks like a combo of comfortable lead and looking to develop the fencer for future seasons.

Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo

I don't know about the funding, but you'll notice there were a number of "declines to attend" of those chosen for the original team selections.

Gerek was there but there were several declines due to school, etc. I had only looked at the line up for the 7/8 match.

Craig

[teacup]

Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo

I don't know about the funding, but you'll notice there were a number of "declines to attend" of those chosen for the original team selections.

I don't know about every specific event but I believe that for the majority of these international events, members of the US team must pay their own expenses. So if an athlete is on a budget and must choose between events, I believe many tend to pick events where results will count toward future team selection especially if it is during the school year.

This is why for instance, the Jr and Cadet Pan Am games were not attended by all of the highest ranked fencers but rather by those who were willing and able to afford the time and expense to attend. (For the Jr/Cdt Pam Am games many of the top ranked fencers had already "aged out" of their respective age groups.)

And of course, some of the highest ranked fencers do attend these events.

[T]

The event is self-funded based on the formula in the handbook (USFA is paying for hotel/food as usual for all world championships). Since few m.foil fencers had any sr. points this season (since Meinhart essentially put up a insurmountable lead after the zonal championships last year), our #1 team fencers (now retired?) didn't go to many world cup events. Hence, no USFA funding so it was completely self-funded airfare which was about $1600 or so.There were definitely several declines before they found 4 people willing to pay their own way.

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!


From the WET results, semifinal Poland-France:
Score is 18-22 coming into 9th bout. Magdalena Grabowska scores 14-13 against Maureen Nisima, bringing it up to a 32-35 French win.

Hong Kong wins 45-41 over Canada in order to evade the DFL placement. I would have guessed that Canada should have won that, and that the HKG fencers are quite pleased with themselves.

In the gold medal bout, the French are part of a similar bout as the one outlined above. 22-22 going into the 9th, Li Na vs. Maureen Nisima end 8-10 to give a final result of 30-32. Vive la France!

The 1/4final Hungary-Germany is the one with the fewest touches, final standing 23-24. In that bout, there is only one match (9th) in which the winning team scores at least 5 points. Can anyone point to an example of a epee team bout won a by a team which did not score at least 5 in any single match?

The strange DE-with-multiple-repechages which is used for many fencing team events is really an ugly beast. Shellsort would be much better!


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[fencerbill]

Doug Findlay was the US ref. He shared the Gold Medal MFT match and did at least 2 others from the quarters on. The Europeans sent mostly Foil refs, although the German ref did both Foil and Epee. The Epee was almost all Asian refs except for the German ref and a ref from Eqypt.