Use of Color on Fencing Clothing

[ToucheVerte]

Can someone please explain the precise rules regarding the use of color and/or logos on fencing clothing? Thanks.

[oiuyt]

Can someone please explain the precise rules regarding the use of color and/or logos on fencing clothing? Thanks.

The rulebook can.

Check the top of page 55, including the USFA note.

Also note the publicity code starting on page 77.

-B

[HDG]

The rulebook can.

Check the top of page 55, including the USFA note.

Also note the publicity code starting on page 77.

-B

Sending someone to the Rulebook to answer their own questions -- what are you, some kind of FOC?

[MyrddinsPrecint]

<whine>But I wanted people to argue about it!!!!!</whine>

[ToucheVerte]

The rulebook can.

Check the top of page 55, including the USFA note.

Also note the publicity code starting on page 77.

-B

You are indeed the font of knowledge, which saves blissfully ignorant people like myself countless lunch breaks.

[tdwg83]

The USFA note seems to apply to tournaments up to a sectional level. What about Summer Nationals or NACs?

[oiuyt]

The USFA note seems to apply to tournaments up to a sectional level. What about Summer Nationals or NACs?

Then that note doesn't apply, leaving us with the immediately-preceeding rule.

Please also see the USFA note on page 68 for masks (and this note applies at ALL USFA competitions, regardless of level).

-B

[fencinginDC]

The wording might be the problem:

From the rulebook page 55:
Fencers’ clothing may be of different colors, apart from black.
Note: At USFA local, divisional, and sectional competitions,
there are no restrictions on colors or decorations on uniforms,
providing that the uniforms still comply with all other
requirements.
National clothing shall be unique.
Logos worn on the national clothing must be approved by the FIE
Executive Committee at least 30 days before it is used for the
first time in an official FIE competition; they are then published
on the FIE Website.

Does "National clothing" mean competitors of a specific nation (i.e. Germany), competing in international events? That's what is implied by reference to the FIE.

The earlier question is valid. What is the rule for color at a NAC, Summer Nationals, or other USFA-only events?

Then that note doesn't apply, leaving us with the immediately-preceeding rule.

Please also see the USFA note on page 68 for masks (and this note applies at ALL USFA competitions, regardless of level).

-B

[oiuyt]

Does "National clothing" mean competitors of a specific nation (i.e. Germany), competing in international events?

Yes. "National Clothing" here could be better translated as "National Uniform."

The British rulebook (the official English-language translation, at that upon which the US version is usually based) says "There shall be only one national uniform per country." I think that's somewhat more clear.

The earlier question is valid. What is the rule for color at a NAC, Summer Nationals, or other USFA-only events?

"Fencers’ clothing may be of different colors, apart from black."

That's the rule that applies for USFA tournaments where the note doesn't (NACs, Summer Nationals, JO's, and arguably RYC/SYC competitions (which were created since that note was placed in the rules and therefore weren't being considered at the time). For local, divisional, and sectional competition the USFA note applies.

If one is asking about masks then the note I referenced on page 68 is what applies (that approval from the Head Referee of the event in question is required), regardless of level of USFA competition.

-B

[oso97]

"Fencers’ clothing may be of different colors, apart from black."

Okay, so I've always wondered about socks here. Are black socks allowed? What about partially black? Striped? Black lettering? One of my fencer's has a favorite pair of socks that have black stripes. Can she not wear them at NACs?

[fencinginDC]

One more question and then I promise to stop beating this poor horse.

There had been a rule that the torso of the uniform had to be a light or pastel color. This would presumably apply to epee for the uniform and the lame for foil and sabre. That no longer seems to apply (is not specifically mentioned in the Rulebook). If that's correct, would it be appropriate and necessary to have the name in a light color (rather than a dark blue as indicated in the Rulebook) if your uniform was blue or another darker color?

I have seen some dark uniforms at SN and wondered if the lame took care of that.

The mask issue was pretty clear.

Yes. "National Clothing" here could be better translated as "National Uniform."

The British rulebook (the official English-language translation, at that upon which the US version is usually based) says "There shall be only one national uniform per country." I think that's somewhat more clear.



"Fencers’ clothing may be of different colors, apart from black."

That's the rule that applies for USFA tournaments where the note doesn't (NACs, Summer Nationals, JO's, and arguably RYC/SYC competitions (which were created since that note was placed in the rules and therefore weren't being considered at the time). For local, divisional, and sectional competition the USFA note applies.

If one is asking about masks then the note I referenced on page 68 is what applies (that approval from the Head Referee of the event in question is required), regardless of level of USFA competition.

-B

[oiuyt]

One of my fencer's has a favorite pair of socks that have black stripes. Can she not wear them at NACs?

Or, say, three black stripes on shoes?

Black stripes on socks will be allowed.

What amount of black in a uniform is too much? Good question without an easily-defined objective answer.

If that's correct, would it be appropriate and necessary to have the name in a light color (rather than a dark blue as indicated in the Rulebook) if your uniform was blue or another darker color?

No. The rulebook requires dark blue.

Convention also requires that the name be readable from a distance. The combination could pose difficulty with some jacket/lamé colors.

-B

[oso97]

Or, say, three black stripes on shoes?

Black stripes on socks will be allowed.

What amount of black in a uniform is too much? Good question without an easily-defined objective answer.

But not all black socks? LOL....Or would those be okay.

I know that I've never carded all black socks...

[HDG]

How about black sleeves?
You know who you are...

[cbcarey]

[QUOTE=HDG;678602]How about black sleeves?[QUOTE]

how about ANY color other than white and black. purple? orange? blue and white stripes? I never see anything like this in a uniform. Is the lack do to rule restriction or some commercial force?

[HDG]

[QUOTE=cbcarey;678615][QUOTE=HDG;678602]How about black sleeves?

how about ANY color other than white and black. purple? orange? blue and white stripes? I never see anything like this in a uniform. Is the lack do to rule restriction or some commercial force?

You must not get out much.