03-22-2008, 12:10 PM
|
#1 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 981
| div 2 AT SECTIONALS?
Stupid question but the rulebook doesnt seem to make it too clear
Can you still qualify for Div2 at sectionals or is it now ONLY at division level that you can qualify?
Appreciate the help!!!
Fatfencer | 
|  | | And now for this message... |
| |
03-22-2008, 12:21 PM
|
#2 | | Member
Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Amarillo, TX
Posts: 94
| Last I heard, there were no more automatic qualifiers like that. In order to qualify for Div 2 or 3, you must attend your division's qualifier tournament. | |
| | |
03-22-2008, 01:51 PM
|
#3 | | Senior Member
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 571
| Quote:
Originally Posted by fatfencer  Can you still qualify for Div2 at sectionals | No. Quote:
Originally Posted by fatfencer Stupid question but the rulebook doesnt seem to make it too clear | What's not clear about it?
It actually looks to be one of the clearest qual paths described in the 2007-2008 Athlete's Handbook. There's one and only one path to qualify for Div II at Summer Nationals listed. | |
| | |
03-22-2008, 02:06 PM
|
#4 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,888
| Maybe the problem is he's looking at the Rules Book and not the Athlete's Handbook. | |
| | |
03-23-2008, 01:56 PM
|
#5 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Somewhere in your nightmares!
Posts: 21,835
| This has become a perennial source of fencer disgruntlement in my Division. The USFA stubbornly continues to place it's own comfort ( reducing numbers for Div II and III ) ahead of membership wishes and interests by refusing to repeal that stupid change.
__________________
Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
| |
| | |
03-23-2008, 02:15 PM
|
#6 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,888
| If you'd attended the Board meeting in Charlotte (which I admit would have been very difficult for you) you'd have seen lots of debate on this topic, and a very narrow vote to maintain the status quo. Pretending that there is one "USFA view" is inaccurate. | |
| | |
03-23-2008, 02:33 PM
|
#7 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Somewhere in your nightmares!
Posts: 21,835
| All that matters is the final outcome. That becomes the de facto USFA position...just like a hotly contested 5-4 Supreme Court decision still becomes the law of the land and the official Supreme Court opinion.
__________________
Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
| |
| | |
03-23-2008, 02:38 PM
|
#8 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,888
| The Supreme Court has a position called stare decisis to keep it from reversing course every session. The USFA does not.
On matters like this, it is a conflict between those who believe as you do and those who don't. Making sure the people you believe in get elected to office is a key part of that. Do your part: Become a Congress Rep for your Division and help select 4 members ofthe BoD. (Your Section Rep is already on your side) | |
| | |
03-23-2008, 02:40 PM
|
#9 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Somewhere in your nightmares!
Posts: 21,835
| Yeah, and the SCOTUS justices wear robes, and I presume that the USFA BoD doesn't. 
What's your point?
When a decision comes out of the USFA, it becomes the official USFA position, no matter how narrowly it was concluded.
__________________
Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
| |
| | |
03-23-2008, 04:30 PM
|
#10 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,888
| But a Supreme Court Decision will usually last for a long time, decades or more before it is reversed. The USFA can and will change course from year to year. | |
| | |
03-23-2008, 08:34 PM
|
#11 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: DFW, Texas
Posts: 2,990
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Inquartata Yeah, and the SCOTUS justices wear robes, and I presume that the USFA BoD doesn't.
What's your point?
When a decision comes out of the USFA, it becomes the official USFA position, no matter how narrowly it was concluded. | By that (supremely flawed) logic, its just as much your decision too, since you're a member of the USFA.
__________________
"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado." - Emiliano Zapata
"Layla, you got me on my knees" - Eric Clapton
| |
| | |
03-24-2008, 02:05 AM
|
#12 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Somewhere in your nightmares!
Posts: 21,835
| Quote:
Originally Posted by KD5MDK But a Supreme Court Decision will usually last for a long time, decades or more before it is reversed. The USFA can and will change course from year to year. |
I never said otherwise---did I? 
I said that the USFA's continued stubborn clinging to to its decision to revoke "trickle down" qualifiers through Sectionals is a continuing source of discontent amongst fencers in my Division...and presumably not only there.
Which is somehow untrue because there are dissenting opinions on that issue within the leadership?
__________________
Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
| |
| | |
03-24-2008, 02:07 AM
|
#13 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Somewhere in your nightmares!
Posts: 21,835
| Quote:
Originally Posted by oso97 By that (supremely flawed) logic, its just as much your decision too, since you're a member of the USFA. |
Nope. When I say "the USFA" I mean the governing body. Just as when I say "the state" I mean the government, not voters or citizens.
__________________
Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
| |
| | |
03-24-2008, 12:19 PM
|
#14 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: DFW, Texas
Posts: 2,990
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Inquartata Nope. When I say "the USFA" I mean the governing body. Just as when I say "the state" I mean the government, not voters or citizens. | To be more precise, you need to specify the body which made the decision. In this case, the Board of Directors of the USFA.
__________________
"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado." - Emiliano Zapata
"Layla, you got me on my knees" - Eric Clapton
| |
| | |
03-24-2008, 06:01 PM
|
#15 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Somewhere in your nightmares!
Posts: 21,835
| When we talk about "this country's" immigration policy, say, it's clear what is meant. So too when I talk about USFA policy. It's not as though either country or USFA functions as the sort of direct full democracy which would be necessary to make official policy attributable to each and every citizen or member.
__________________
Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
| |
| | |
03-24-2008, 06:10 PM
|
#16 | | Scrub
Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Miami
Posts: 2,089
| This is an impressively pointless episode of thread drift. | 
| | |
03-24-2008, 06:14 PM
|
#17 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Somewhere in your nightmares!
Posts: 21,835
| Thank you...thank you very much. I do try my best. 
__________________
Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
| |
| | |
03-24-2008, 09:50 PM
|
#18 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,888
| Quote:
Originally Posted by HDG This is an impressively pointless episode of thread drift. | I think "thread tugboating" might be more accurate. | |
| | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode | 
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off | | | |
