03-19-2008, 01:50 PM
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| Pacific Coast Section Schedule
I've got people asking about what's going on with the Pacific Coast Section events specifically Pasadena. My understanding is that the Santa Cruz Boardwalk (or is it still called that) is fully organized and up on AskFred. But there has been some concern about the Pasadena event.
Is anyone in this group able to comment about the current state of the PCS? The website www.pcsfencing.com appears slightly in disarray and has very few details.
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03-19-2008, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jjefferies  Is anyone in this group able to comment about the current state of the PCS? The website www.pcsfencing.com appears slightly in disarray and has very few details. | Sadly, this description applies to more than the website, as those "in the know" can attest. | |
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03-20-2008, 09:20 AM
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| There has been talk in SoCal about the schedule and entry information not being posted or available. People need to book flights and hotels.
Edew, I believe you are the youth coordinator (although the website has you as Jr.). Can you clue us in as to who to bug?
On another note, if anyone needs info about Pasadena let me know. I live and work in Pasadena.
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03-20-2008, 10:23 AM
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| Information has been posted on AskFRED. http://askfred.net/Events/moreInfo.p...nament_id=5735
It would be helpful if entry fees were included in the more info section of AskFRED. As it is now, people have to preregister in order to find out what the entry fees are.
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03-20-2008, 10:42 AM
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| Schedule
Ok, seriously, who came up with this schedule. Why in the nine hells are we doing Junior on Sunday? Do they not want these people to also fence in the Senior? | |
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03-20-2008, 10:50 AM
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| Shoot, I missed it by over a week!
<<Events Scheduled:
Saturday 3/10/08
Senior Men's Foil 8:00 am>> | |
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03-20-2008, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jvanhousen Shoot, I missed it by over a week!
<<Events Scheduled:
Saturday 3/10/08
Senior Men's Foil 8:00 am>> | Dang, I better get going on the petitions...... | |
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03-20-2008, 11:03 AM
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| From AskFRED info page: "If you are doing more than one event then please make sure you are finished with the first event before starting the second one...."
This is going to be hard on Sunday for all the jr fencers in the team event.
For example: WE TM has a close of check in of 12:00 and Jr. WE closes at 2:00. | |
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03-20-2008, 11:25 AM
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| From the PCS website: "It is the final Jr & Sr Section Circuit event for points towards the Golden swords in each event. All sword awards will be given out at the beginning of the Annual Meeting on Saturday night."
As someone noted in the PCS website comments section, how will winners of the junior circuit awards be determined by Saturday night when the jr events are on Sunday? | |
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03-20-2008, 02:01 PM
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| Men's epee is at noon, el YAYYY! Ah, fudge though, it's on Saturday, when I have to teach a class. Crap, looks like I'll be cancelling class one more time, grr.
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03-20-2008, 06:41 PM
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| Susan,
Sorry I wasn't involved with the check-in schedules. There are several reasons for the scheduling:
1) want to avoid holding both the senior and junior event of the same weapon/sex on the same day, because they are qualifiers and for a junior fencer to fence in two events in one day while others (the non-juniors or juniors who choose not to fence in the seniors) have to fence one would be unfair.
2) want to have Saturday finished at a reasonable hour so that we can have that lovely section meeting where we all get together for that fabulous group hug and pow-wow and passing of doobies and Jim Beams while singing kumbaya before the bonfire...
3) want the team events to be seeded based on results of individual events.
Not the best of the world, but that's why we've separated the juniors from the seniors since 1994 or so.
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03-21-2008, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by edew Not the best of the world, but that's why we've separated the juniors from the seniors since 1994 or so. | Which is when we put it in the bylaws that it was to be done that way. I was deeply disapointed in the choice to host both events on the same weekend. This tends to give the Jrs a short shrift.
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03-21-2008, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by teacup From AskFRED info page: "If you are doing more than one event then please make sure you are finished with the first event before starting the second one...."
This is going to be hard on Sunday for all the jr fencers in the team event.
For example: WE TM has a close of check in of 12:00 and Jr. WE closes at 2:00. | WF team is at 10am and the jr wf closes at noon... which means we're screwed for senior team.
Not happy about this at all. What was the rationale for combining Jr/Sr again??
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03-21-2008, 03:58 AM
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| Money and available locations.
The Pasadena location is extremely expensive. Somewheres north of $8K for the weekend. And, some members of last season's officership signed for the place and put in $4K non-refundable down. If we looked for a separate place, we lose the $4K. So we decided to keep the Sr PCCs there. Then, there's the debacle of the SYC splitting from the Jr/Cadet PCCs. Alone, the Jr/Cadet would be cost prohibitive, especially since we couldn't also run it with the YPCCs and find a decent place to do all five age groups.
So basically, money, money and money.
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03-21-2008, 10:23 AM
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| Speaking of money, how can the Pacific Coast Section only have a hundred dollars? It is hard to believe there was only $100.00 carry over from last season's events.
Didn't any of all the other season's events make a profit?
Didn't the circuit events this season make any money? The entry fees for the Youth Championships in San Diego were $60.00 for one event. (35. + 25.) There were 141 fencers and the venue was a club. Doesn't the section get a fee and a percentage from the organizer?
That event alone must have netted the section some profit.
From AskFRED:
Hotel "Since the Section was left with just over $100 from last years administration we were not able to put down any down deposit for any hotel block arrangements so you will need to call around and find the best deals."
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03-21-2008, 11:34 AM
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| I'm not a division officer, only a rank and file, but I do know what the rumblings are amongst the minions. It is not good. the infighting among "leadership" and conflict is apparent: ie., a youth circuit tournament set on the same day as section RYC- hmm, which side to choose?; PCS website essentially abandoned. And forget about the rampant rumors surrounding the money situation. | |
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03-21-2008, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by teacup Speaking of money, how can the Pacific Coast Section only have a hundred dollars? It is hard to believe there was only $100.00 carry over from last season's events.
Didn't any of all the other season's events make a profit?
Didn't the circuit events this season make any money? The entry fees for the Youth Championships in San Diego were $60.00 for one event. (35. + 25.) There were 141 fencers and the venue was a club. Doesn't the section get a fee and a percentage from the organizer?
That event alone must have netted the section some profit.
From AskFRED:
Hotel "Since the Section was left with just over $100 from last years administration we were not able to put down any down deposit for any hotel block arrangements so you will need to call around and find the best deals." | Circuit events only contribute $50/event to the section (to pay for the prizes). Circuit events are held by the individual host organizers, not the section. The section just report and publicize them.
The YPCCs made some money, of course. There weren't too many fencers (as those who were there can attest). We saved a bundle on not having to ship the equipment to the venue. But we did have to pay for the venue rental and we did have to pay for my extravagant travel costs. Overall, I think there were several $Ks worth of net revenue.
As mentioned above, the section spent $4K for the down for the Pasadena venue. Also, there were allegations of financial mismanagement over the course of the past several seasons. I wasn't involved back then and have tried to stay far, far away with regards to those items this season. I believe John Springgate, who is the treasurer, has gone over the numbers and have made heads and tails of them. Apparently, several of the SYCs of past seasons actually lost money instead of earned money. But I could be completely wrong on that.
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03-21-2008, 08:42 PM
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| Well, I guess I'm thankful that someone is finally looking a the books. I had given up on their existents a couple of years ago. The fact that we are in the black at all is a miracle. 
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03-24-2008, 09:54 AM
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| I have been thinking about this, didn't the section make a large payment to a SF salle for SYC support? I believe the figure was over 10K.
I remember reading about it in the minutes of the last Section meeting. | |
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03-24-2008, 01:31 PM
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| I'm not sure that the amount is actually paid. Don't quote me on that. I'm sure that there was a request for payment. Whether there was payment or whether there was a dispute is where I'm not clear on.
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