03-17-2008, 06:57 PM
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03-17-2008, 08:10 PM
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| Does anyone know why some fencers are highlighted in yellow on the FIE provisional lists? | |
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03-17-2008, 09:52 PM
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| More than 5 citations for "unwillingness to fence" in a single season?
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03-17-2008, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JEC  | Get to the important info! Are any of these fencers from Texas???
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03-18-2008, 12:34 AM
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| Out of the individuals qualifiers ... Kelley Hurley (WE).
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03-18-2008, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JEC Out of the individuals qualifiers ... Kelley Hurley (WE). | Yes, Kelley has qualified! The final world cup event for w.epee was this past weekend so all of the FIE points are current.
It looks like the Canadians missed getting 2 qualifiers by 2 points (with Schalm finishing in 10th place). This moves Schalm to qualifying via one of the zonal FIE spots (along with Kelley) as opposed to automatically qualifying via the top 8 in the FIE standings. | |
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03-18-2008, 11:38 AM
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| The updated lists, 17-3-08, have been posted on the FIE website. http://fie.ch/ | |
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03-18-2008, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by epeemike81 Get to the important info! Are any of these fencers from Texas???
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03-18-2008, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by teacup The updated lists, 17-3-08, have been posted on the FIE website. http://fie.ch/ | In the updated list, Cody Mattern is listed as qualifying as well.
I guess because Seth is getting one of the 'first three not qualified by team' spots, and Cody gets one of the zonal spots.
edit: Sadly, (for JEC) neither Cody or Seth are from Texas.
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03-18-2008, 12:32 PM
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| Anyone know how ties are split?
Specifically looking at MS Quote: |
Originally Posted by FIE website 14 146 TARANTINO Luigi ITA
15 146 MARTI Jaime ESP | Tarantino has scored countable points more recently (his 19th in Tunis counts, while Marti's 18th doesn't). He also has a higher single result (64 points from a GP gold, vs. 42 for Marti's World Championship 8th place).
If we were to start adding non-counted results, Marti has "lost" 4 8-point results (as well as a number of 2- and 4-pointers) vs. Tarantino dropping nothing more than 4.
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03-18-2008, 12:48 PM
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| Counted vs. non-counted?
Bueller?
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03-18-2008, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Anyone know how ties are split?
Specifically looking at MS
Tarantino has scored countable points more recently (his 19th in Tunis counts, while Marti's 18th doesn't). He also has a higher single result (64 points from a GP gold, vs. 42 for Marti's World Championship 8th place).
If we were to start adding non-counted results, Marti has "lost" 4 8-point results (as well as a number of 2- and 4-pointers) vs. Tarantino dropping nothing more than 4.
-B | Ties in FIE points are broken by the highest placed finish. If that is the same, it goes down to the next highest finish...and so forth. | |
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03-18-2008, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by T Ties in FIE points are broken by the highest placed finish. If that is the same, it goes down to the next highest finish...and so forth. | Great, thanks.
Not applicable in this case, but what if all of the (countable) finishes are the same? Eg 2 fencers have 12 points total from each making the L32 of an A world cup? Let's even say that the placements were identical but from different events.
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03-18-2008, 02:05 PM
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| Interesting difference between English and French
In English :
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Three innovations in the 17th century led to the popularity of fencing as a sport.
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The final innovation was the quadrille wire-mesh mask which protected the face and made fencing a safe activity.
(from http://en.beijing2008.cn/cptvenues/s...14047130.shtml)
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Il y a quelques années, les tenues des escrimeurs étaient devenues si protectrices que les masques ont dû être modifiés pour que le sport retrouve un visage humain.
which means
A few years ago, fencing suits had become so protective that the masks had to be modified so that the sport recovers its human face.
(from http://fr.beijing2008.cn/cptvenues/s...14047521.shtml)
Too protective ???
Do they want to see injuries to get a better TV audience ? | |
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03-18-2008, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan
Too protective ???
Do they want to see injuries to get a better TV audience ?
| Hence visor masks!
It all makes sense now!
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03-18-2008, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Great, thanks.
Not applicable in this case, but what if all of the (countable) finishes are the same? Eg 2 fencers have 12 points total from each making the L32 of an A world cup? Let's even say that the placements were identical but from different events.
-B | Tarantino has a higher finish than Marti so that breaks the tie.
My understanding (and this is from application and not the rule book because I have yet to find the rules written down about how the points are exactly counted) is that all world cup placings count the same - no matter where or when they occur (although there is a zone requirement for inclusion but the placings count the same). Grand Prix placings count more in terms of points awarded but this doesn't matter in the rankings in-and-of itself; it appears to be the placings that count. So a 12th place at a regular world cup is worth more (in a tie situation) than a 13th place at a grand prix.
Since there are so many places within the same point award-bracket (4-8; 9-16; 17-32;33-64) there couldn't be too many people that are exactly tied on all of the placings. And I'm sure it is more likely to happen down in the 4 and 2 point-range toward the bottom of the ranking list. Perhaps PeterGustafson can figure out the probability of a tie 
I'm sure there are finer details but I can't find them published.
Do you have an example of the exact tie? | |
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03-18-2008, 06:13 PM
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| MS has another event this weekend in Algiers--a GP and Team event, so it's not certain that Tarantino and Marti will be tied in points when it is over. GO Jaime 
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03-26-2008, 11:07 AM
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| China repudiates clear visor masks
in the revised French version of the presentation on their web site
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03-26-2008, 12:07 PM
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| English v/s French
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Originally Posted by Alan in the revised French version of the presentation on their web site | No, they did not "repudiate" the clear visor masks (ask those who fence saber) but the revised French version reflects now the English text, as it should.  | 
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