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Why Venezuela? So a lot of people on F.net are more in the know with regards to the international scene. I really just read the results and hope that the US has a strong showing in the big events. But I read about how Venezuela is our strongest competition for getting into the Olympics.
So why is Venezuela have such a strong fencing program? Is there anything in particular or has it always been that way and I just never heard about it before? I am just curious. Thanks for any light you may shed on this mystery of mine. "LFM for Nationals Attunement. PST."
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Venezuela this year, but Cuba or Canada in other years. Venezuela has a very good program ans several of their fencers live and work in France. They have a strong Men's Epee group with the Limardo brothers (Ruben and Francisco) and Silvio Fernandez (6th place at 2004 Olympics).
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Not knowing the details, I expect there are a couple of reasons:
They have a very good Epee coach, and/or
All of the best athletes among their fencers fence Epee.
The above may be said about our recent womens Sabre fencers. Whoopee! My avatar is back.
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Why Venezuela, you ask?
Because Venezuela has no extradition treaty with the US.
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 Originally Posted by MUHSfencing  Why Venezuela, you ask?
Because Venezuela has no extradition treaty with the US. Neither clever nor correct.
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Originally Posted by JEC Venezuela has a very good program and several of their fencers live and work in France. They have a strong Men's Epee group with the Limardo brothers (Ruben and Francisco) and Silvio Fernandez (6th place at 2004 Olympics). Living in France would certainly help with the epee, the Jenneat brothers are spectacular along with the rest of their team. Of course I am assuming they might practice with the French team... i could be way off in that assumption. "LFM for Nationals Attunement. PST."
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Originally Posted by Hobbes Living in France would certainly help with the epee, the Jenneat brothers are spectacular along with the rest of their team. Of course I am assuming they might practice with the French team... i could be way off in that assumption. That is correct. I can't remember but one of them works as an attorney in Paris and regularly practices with the top French epeeists. Veeco could confirm that. I think he is Silvio. The Limardo brothers have been there too. I think it is the Racing club.
At the last ME World Cup (Bernadette), Silvio got 2nd while Kolobkov won it.
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Originally Posted by Hobbes Living in France would certainly help with the epee, the Jenneat brothers are spectacular along with the rest of their team. Of course I am assuming they might practice with the French team... i could be way off in that assumption. The French team typically does not let foreigners train with them.
Rick "Some people are born great fencers, some people achieve fencing greatness, and some people have it thrust upon them."
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Originally Posted by HDG Neither clever nor correct. Sorry, couldn't resist. Guess you aren't a David Mamet fan.
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As far as I remenber there are no foreigner fencer who have got the authorization to fence in the insep with the french team.
They could fence with the fencers of the french team when these fencers are in their clubs(levallois, Stgratien, asptt, lagardere fencing club(it was racing club in the past))
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Originally Posted by piste off The French team typically does not let foreigners train with them.
Rick I would disagree with that. I have had the french offer a teammate to train with them regularly, and another friend from the netherlands used to live and train with their team regularly, so I don't see why the VEN fencers wouldn't be able to. -Sabresque
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Originally Posted by MUHSfencing Sorry, couldn't resist. Guess you aren't a David Mamet fan. I am (up to a point), but I'm also a professor of international law.
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While I am sure the national team would not be excited about having foreigners training with them, I can imagine they would like to at least fence some of the best fencers from other nations for the practice.
And if this is the case I am sure it is a mutually beneficial practice. Evidently our team needs to go hang out in Europe more often.  "LFM for Nationals Attunement. PST."
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On the to-do list of the incoming USFA leadership (whichever it is!) study what Venezuela does that USFA does not, and copy. If not, I really want to hear them say that it is a matter of resources.  
Maybe USFA should relocate its non-WS teams to Europe on a atleast semi-permanent basis - shorter trips, tougher opposition!
Have a nice time!
Peter Gustafsson
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Maybe fencing is more popular to the general public in Venezuela than it is in the US.
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Originally Posted by JEC thanks a lot for those! "LFM for Nationals Attunement. PST."
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Originally Posted by HDG I am (up to a point), but I'm also a professor of international law. Someone is wrong on the Intertubes? Oh noez!
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Originally Posted by PeterGustafsson Hi!
On the to-do list of the incoming USFA leadership (whichever it is!) study what Venezuela does that USFA does not, and copy. If not, I really want to hear them say that it is a matter of resources.
Maybe USFA should relocate its non-WS teams to Europe on a atleast semi-permanent basis - shorter trips, tougher opposition!
Have a nice time!
Peter Gustafsson
Really, Peter?
Because Venezuela, on the strength of an epee team which consists mainly of fencers who happen to train in a different country, and by just a few FIE points beat out our epee team for the Olympics, we should "find out what they're doing and copy it" ?
In what area of fencing do you think the Venezuelans are better off than the US fencers?
Yeah, if our elite athletes happened to continue competing into adulthood, happened to move to another country that also happened to have a very strong fencing program, we might get better results.
But I still think that we are, pretty overwhelmingly on almost every other front than senior mens epee team, better off than the Venezuelans. If I'm mis-informed, please I would love someone to point me towards evidence of this fact. "Their interpretation is, however, refuted most elegantly by your system of radioactive atom + amplifier + charge of gun powder + cat in a box"
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http://www.el-universal.com/2007/04/...6A852207.shtml
This newspaper article states that Silvio Fernandez went to France in 2000 and he is an attorney working for the Venezuelan embassy in Paris. He has a doctorate in law from the Sorbonne. His coach is Daniel Levavasuer, who also trained Laura Flessel-Colovic.
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