03-04-2008, 10:46 AM
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| Tournament regulations for fencing with a cast?
It's my off-hand that's in the cast, to clarify. I'm not sure if it'll be off in time for the sectionals(north atlantic), so what I'm asking is if there are any actual rules against it. I can stuff it into my jacket far enough so as not to be in the way.
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03-04-2008, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Welted 24/7  It's my off-hand that's in the cast, to clarify. I'm not sure if it'll be off in time for the sectionals(north atlantic), so what I'm asking is if there are any actual rules against it. I can stuff it into my jacket far enough so as not to be in the way. | Not to my knowledge. I've fenced with a cast on my off hand. It's not fun, but I don't see why it'd be illegal.
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03-16-2008, 12:18 AM
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| I too, have fenced with a cast on my off hand. I never had problems, but contact the Organizer just to confirm. | |
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03-16-2008, 12:25 AM
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| The only possible problem that I can think of is if it was in Sabre and there was concern that the cast might block some cuts. More like it would be harder to keep out of the way although a good referee would just card when it caused a problem.
I wouldn't stop a fencer with a cast from participating.
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03-16-2008, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by fencerbill The only possible problem that I can think of is if it was in Sabre and there was concern that the cast might block some cuts. More like it would be harder to keep out of the way although a good referee would just card when it caused a problem.
I wouldn't stop a fencer with a cast from participating. | How could a cast block any cuts? I assume we're talking about an arm cast; arm is, as you know, target in sabre.
There would be absolutely zero consideration given to allowing someone fence if their lame could not cover their arm/cast.
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03-16-2008, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by whtouche How could a cast block any cuts? I assume we're talking about an arm cast; arm is, as you know, target in sabre.
There would be absolutely zero consideration given to allowing someone fence if their lame could not cover their arm/cast. | I agree. In principle, the off hand is target, at least for non-electric Sabre. Although, in practice, the hand doesn't have to be covered by the jacket for electric Sabre. But a hand cast would not only make a larger object that could catch a cut but would be more awkward and be harder to keep out of the way.
In extreme cases where the cast would include the elbow and bent arm and make it even harder to keep it out of the way, extending the conductive jacket with a mitten to cover the cast would avoid such concerns.
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03-17-2008, 07:52 PM
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| Now... what if it was a leg cast? | |
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03-17-2008, 09:38 PM
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| I've seen a one legged fencer fence successfully* (he had one crutch, which was on non-weapon arm side).
*ie, completed all his bouts. Can't recall his win ratio, and I wasn't refereeing him myself. | |
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03-17-2008, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK I've seen a one legged fencer fence successfully* (he had one crutch, which was on non-weapon arm side).
*ie, completed all his bouts. Can't recall his win ratio, and I wasn't refereeing him myself. | How legal is that?
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03-17-2008, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KShan5[PrFC] How legal is that? | Can you come up with a rule against it? | |
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03-17-2008, 11:53 PM
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| I would be a little concerned about the cast. Is it hard or soft?
If it were epee I'd be especially concerned, given that the chances of corps-a-corps is greater.
Rules-wise, m.25.2 covers it: Quote:
2. Safety. It must not be possible for the opponent to be
obstructed or injured by the equipment, nor for the
opponent’s weapon to be caught up in or deflected by the
equipment which, in consequence, must have neither
buckles nor openings in which the opponent’s point may be
caught up — except accidentally — and thus held or
deflected. The jacket and its collar must be completely
buttoned or done up
| The bold and italics are mine.
I guess it's partially up to the referee to interpret and apply this rule.
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03-18-2008, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Can you come up with a rule against it? | Quote: | m.25-2Safety. It must not be possible for the opponent to be obstructed or injured by the equipment, nor for the opponent’s weapon to be caught up in or deflected by the equipment which, in consequence, must have neither buckles nor openings in which the opponent’s point may be caught up — except accidentally — and thus held or deflected. The jacket and its collar must be completely buttoned or done up
| Seems like a crutch could easily be used to trap a tip or deflect one.
Apparently damianip got there first.
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03-18-2008, 09:10 AM
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| Not if the fencer intended to remain upright. I would say the risk was substantially lower than that an AB fencer would trap or deflect with their off hand. | |
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03-18-2008, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Not if the fencer intended to remain upright. I would say the risk was substantially lower than that an AB fencer would trap or deflect with their off hand. | Really?
I mean, it depends on what weapon we're talking about, but I'm pretty sure bringing a crutch on strip would be problematic in any weapon. But if you think it wouldn't be as obtrusive as any other person's off hand...I dunno what to say to that.
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03-18-2008, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK I've seen a one legged fencer fence successfully* (he had one crutch, which was on non-weapon arm side).
*ie, completed all his bouts. Can't recall his win ratio, and I wasn't refereeing him myself. | Good thing it was a fencing tournament.... and not an ass-kicking contest. 
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03-18-2008, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by whtouche Really?
I mean, it depends on what weapon we're talking about, but I'm pretty sure bringing a crutch on strip would be problematic in any weapon. But if you think it wouldn't be as obtrusive as any other person's off hand...I dunno what to say to that. | I didn't say it would be less obtrusive. In fact it would be bloody obvious. I said I thought it would be less likely to actually occur. | |
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