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Old 02-14-2008, 03:05 PM   #1
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Saber electrical problem

OK, this is the first time I ever encountered an electrical problem with a Saber bout so go easy on me! Last night one of our saber fencers started getting a white light from his equipment. My best guess is that it was a body cord problem but what would cause that? The fencer is one of the youngsters in the club and he didn't give me his body cord to repair so I expect to see this problem again. A little overview of electric saber function would be appreciated. Thanks!
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There must be a connection between the B and C lines. Without that you get a white light.
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You're probably correct in looking at the body cord - it tends to be the most common source of problems in electric saber. Another thing to look at would be loose fit between the body cord plug and sockets.

Probably the easiest way to think about electric saber is to think of it as something similar to foil except the B-C circuit doesn't have to be opened for a touch to register (at one time the captuer acted as a switch, much like a foil tip, but proved so troublesome that it eventually was replaced with a simple short). These days all it takes to register a touch is contact between the blade and the opponent's lame.

A white light in saber indicates a break in the normally closed B-C circuit that last more than 3 ms (+/-2 ms). This was probably originally intended to help catch a defective captuer, but it also means that anything else that causes a break in the circuit can can cause a white light (just like in foil).

The other fun feature of electric saber is whip-over prevention. Simply put, if a blade contacts the opponent's guard 4 ms before contacting the lame and contact with the lame doesn't last at least 11 ms then the machine assumes that the attack was parried and the tip merely whipped around enough to reach target. How well this really works is probably debatable - I'm sure that most experienced saber fencers can tell stories of touches that they are convinced landed but the machine failed to register.
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If it is a continous white light then check the socket..if it is two pronged then there should be no plastic to metal contact, this is common if the sabre was built using a foil socket.
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:24 AM   #5
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OK, you have a body cord problem. But it is critically important exactly what is the problem.

To keep the white light off, you have to have continuity through the C line (the lonely pin in the plug to the reel cable) and back along the B line (in the middle of the plug). The system was intended to have that continuity in the weapon itself. Although before people made the connection in the weapon, they would sometimes use wire in the body cord or, even worse, in the reel connection or even at the machine.

If the break is in the B line, you will have a white light but you can still get a colored light on when you contact the opponent's Lame.

But if the break is in the C line, you will not get a light from contact with the opponent.

The C line is active, you might say the B line is insurance that you could get a light.

You sometimes see fencers go ahead and fence, even with a white light on the machine. But if the white light is intermittent, they should be sure that they can record a touch. So you should test while the white light is on.

Just last weekend, I reffed a gold medal bout in a small local competition. Double actions. only one light. We all know such things happen with whipover blockage and fast time out. But when it got to about 6-1, I tested by pulling on the BC at the weapon and sure enough, the BC had failed. But only at full extension. Back in on guard position, no white light. It had come on for such a short duration that no one, myself or about 20 spectators, had noticed. The fencer, who most of the time did win between this pair of fencers, could not recover and lost. Not very important in this competition, but would have been disastrous at the JO's, for example.
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Thanks! I think I have Saber function basics down now!
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The connection between the body cord and the guard socket might be bad too thanks to dirt, corrosion or something of that nature. The connections in the body cord itself may also be dirty.
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