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ivlobane · 02-09-2008, 03:36 PM

http://www.usfencersforchange.com/

Candidates:

Tracy A. Hurley, Ph.D. (President)
Soren Thompson (Vice-President-Fencers)
August Skopik (Vice-President-Coaches & Clubs)
Bruno Goossens - (Vice-President - International Relations & Officials)
Sharol Pestotnik - (Treasurer)

HDG · 02-09-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ivlobane

http://www.usfencersforchange.com/

Candidates:

Tracy A. Hurley, Ph.D. (President)
Soren Thompson (Vice-President-Fencers)
August Skopik (Vice-President-Coaches & Clubs)
Bruno Goossens - (Vice-President - International Relations & Officials)
Sharol Pestotnik - (Treasurer)

Not new:

Alternative Officer Slate for USFA

FoilyDeath · 02-09-2008, 04:05 PM

Obviously, "change" doesn't include new and better website design...

ivlobane · 02-09-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FoilyDeath

Obviously, "change" doesn't include new and better website design...

Website falls under online services, I would imagine.

I think it's incredible that Hurley, Thompson and Goosens are getting involved in politics. I'm not familiar with the other two people but these three alone are a breath of fresh air. A very invigorating, wake-up air. Just read their profiles.

ivlobane · 02-09-2008, 06:24 PM

Lol, and I think a certain Peet Sasaki should get involved in the USFA's online presence,

jjefferies · 02-10-2008, 03:55 AM

There are several interesting pieces in this latest announcement.
1. I assume that IVLOBANE, who just joined this discussion, is a member of the opposition and this announcement is the official coming out. So who is IVLOBANE? Minister for ??
2. Paul Levy is not running for treasurer. Instead we have Sharol Pestotnik. But I've not been trying to keep up so that change might not be recent.
3. Ms Pestotnik's candidacy must be fairly recent as the website hasn't yet been updated with her resume.

A previous comment I overheard was that the current candidate for treasurer from the nominating committee is very good and non-controversial which may have some bearing, But I do hope that we get to hear more from both sides about what their vision for the USFA in the next four years is going to be.

I am of the belief that opening up the election process to the membership is one of the best things that can come from all of this.

PeterGustafsson · 02-10-2008, 08:36 AM

Hi!

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Originally Posted by jjefferies

There are several interesting pieces in this latest announcement.
1. I assume that IVLOBANE, who just joined this discussion, is a member of the opposition and this announcement is the official coming out. So who is IVLOBANE? Minister for ??

ivlobane is listed as a registered f.net member since 2006. Given that, I do not think that you have, based on the openly available evidence, a sound case for assuming that (s)he is a candidate.

Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

KD5MDK · 02-10-2008, 09:04 AM

Candidate T has been a member since 2002, so I don't think that join date is any evidence that someone is a candidate or not. However, following links in ivlobane provides a name and location very different from any of the candidates.

chefencer · 02-10-2008, 09:56 AM

Here's the link KD's talking about:ivlobane's blog seems to clear up his identity.

PeterGustafsson · 02-10-2008, 10:01 AM

Hi!

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Candidate T has been a member since 2002, so I don't think that join date is any evidence that someone is a candidate or not.

My point was that the join date was not immediately preceding the announcement of an alternative candidacy. Therefore, the implicit (as I understand it) assumption made by jjeffries that ivlobane had recently joined in order to promote a specific candidacy was unfounded.

Yes, I know who T is.

Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

Army Fencer · 02-10-2008, 01:03 PM

I can vouch for my friend Ilya. He's just a concerned member of the fencing community.

ivlobane · 02-10-2008, 02:00 PM

Yes, thanks for clearing that up. I'm a big fan of not being anonymous on the internets when the dicussion is about concrete irl issues.

I am quite concerned that in 2008, we are still crowding around little pieces of paper at world class events like NACs and cannot register online. Believe it or not, I actually have to go to a Kinko's or something to register for a NAC. That is a pain in the ass.

I've known Bruno Goosens since 1998; he is a very intelligent man and he loves this sport. His attitude towards the USFA can be summed up in one word: Modernization. I also trust that someone with an extreme level of international competitive experience like Soren and the Hurley mom would take the USFA towards a much greater involvement with the USOC, corporate sponsorhips, and put or damn sport on ESPN already, like it was done on WCSN. Felicia Zimmerman's commentary and the replays made it very watchable by the average office troglodyte. Their reaction was: "Wow, cool! Can I try this?" I recruited two people to the the sport by that broadcast alone.

These candidates are very different from the current administration. I believe that an opportunity was missed with Mariel Zagunis' olympic gold medal to promote our sport to a much more professional level. I imagine this set of people taking such opportunities.

The link below is a more detailed description of their platform. I'm sure they are still working on it but it's more than was discussed in the earlier thread:

http://www.usfencersforchange.com

misha · 02-10-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Army Fencer

I can vouch for my friend Ilya. He's just a concerned member of the fencing community.

and I thought that US Army is not supposed to trust "those russians"

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ivlobane · 02-10-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by misha

and I thought that US Army is not supposed to trust "those russians"

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We are cooperating for the greater good of mankind.

KD5MDK · 02-11-2008, 12:25 AM

I think the candidates nominated by the nominating committee are very different from the current administration too.

Army Fencer · 02-11-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by misha

and I thought that US Army is not supposed to trust "those russians"

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In the interest of solid foreign relations, it took my entire effort not to call him a crazy, drunken Russian. But then again, it's a bit redundant calling someone "crazy," "drunken," and "Russian," don't you think?

jjefferies · 02-11-2008, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Candidate T has been a member since 2002, so I don't think that join date is any evidence that someone is a candidate or not. However, following links in ivlobane provides a name and location very different from any of the candidates.

Sorry didn't mean to imply that the gentle person's join date which I believe is shown as 2006 (and I misread as 2008 on my tiny computer screen) should have any negative impact. Just that I was hoping it meant that the alternate slate was alive and well and interested in presenting itself. So far the only activity I've seen are two threads on this forum and their website. Not sure what else is available

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But I'm in favor of both sets of candidates presenting themselves to the unwashed masses here around our electronic campfire and discussing their vision for the USFA. Certainly the cheapest and a most democratic way of meeting the electorate and presenting their views.

Army Fencer · 02-11-2008, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jjefferies

Sorry didn't mean to imply that the gentle person's join date which I believe is shown as 2006 (and I misread as 2008 on my tiny computer screen) should have any negative impact. Just that I was hoping it meant that the alternate slate was alive and well and interested in presenting itself. So far the only activity I've seen are two threads on this forum and their website. Not sure what else is available

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Mrs. Hurley was at the Atlanta NAC trying to secure signatures to make the ballot.

dekko · 02-11-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Candidate T has been a member since 2002, so I don't think that join date is any evidence that someone is a candidate or not. However, following links in ivlobane provides a name and location very different from any of the candidates.

Tracy may have rejoined in 2002 but I can assure you, she has been around fencing much longer. She was part of a debate in Texas, way before fnet, about should pregnant women be allowed to fence, now that kid is way up on the points list for women's epee and fences outside this country under our flag.

DJ Apostrophe · 02-11-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dekko

Tracy may have rejoined in 2002 but I can assure you, she has been around fencing much longer. She was part of a debate in Texas, way before fnet, about should pregnant women be allowed to fence, now that kid is way up on the points list for women's epee and fences outside this country under our flag.

I believe KD5 was referring to T's forum membership and not USFA membership.

From T's member profile: Join Date: 08-05-2002

-w