Ref Clinic

[kadams]

Does anyone know if there will be a ref clinic near Virginia?? I really need to learn, and I just can't follow the action. Everything happens sooooo fast.

[swatchpost]

A really good way to learn is by watching lots and lots of youtube videos of the World Cups and National Championships. See if what you saw is what the ref calls. It takes some patience but you'll start noticing the subtleties. And plus, after watching the World Cups for a while, the actions of fencers in your Salle seem REALLY slow!

Here's some great classic fencing action that's fairly easy to follow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKKMt...eature=related

[OROD]

Here's some great classic fencing action that's fairly easy to follow:

I'm not sure if you can really call it "classic" since it's from just last year, but certainly good stuff.

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[swatchpost]

I'm not sure if you can really call it "classic" since it's from just last year, but certainly good stuff.

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I meant "classic" as in really good examples of footwork and great all-around fencing. But I do understand that "classic" does belong to another...um...methodology

[mrbiggs]

Does anyone know if there will be a ref clinic near Virginia?? I really need to learn, and I just can't follow the action. Everything happens sooooo fast.

A ref clinic is generally more about the rules than following the action, although there might be some tips here and there. It's usually for already somewhat competent referees who want to be certified rather than referees who want to learn how to follow the action. I'd recommend reffing a lot at your club and asking better referees and fencers what they thought about each action.

[tbryan]

A ref clinic is generally more about the rules than following the action, although there might be some tips here and there. It's usually for already somewhat competent referees who want to be certified rather than referees who want to learn how to follow the action. I'd recommend reffing a lot at your club and asking better referees and fencers what they thought about each action.

Seconded. You may also want to look at some previous threads on this topic:

• learning to direct
• judging tips
• Correct position and movement of referee

Your division has done a good job at least during the last 2 or 3 years in providing official referee seminars and unofficial workshops for referees to practice and improve. Post in the Virginia division's rules and refereeing forum and get plugged into your local referee corps. I'm sure that they'll welcome anyone who is open and interested in learning to be a better referee.

[Allen Evans]

Virginia is working on holding an informal, practical workshop on refereeing Fencers will not be tested for referee ratings, but there will be a number of national level referees available to discuss interpretations of the rules.

Fitting it into the busy spring schedule has proven to be difficult. However, we hope to have things finalized in the next week.

AE

[chefencer]

There is a possibility of a referee workshop, which is probably what you're looking for, in Virginia in mid-April. Stay tuned to the Division website...

Edit: Haha! AE's faster than me...

[oiuyt]

Edit: Haha! AE's faster than me...

Perhaps, but it's that he started first that resulted in his having ROW...

-B

[KD5MDK]

Perhaps, but it's that he started first that resulted in his having ROW...

-B

Are you sure chefencer didn't begin first, but then stop to check his facts or get distracted by someone walking by and get caught during his preparation?

[tbryan]

Are you sure chefencer didn't begin first, but then stop to check his facts or get distracted by someone walking by and get caught during his preparation?

Doesn't Brad have an FIE referee rating now? Wouldn't he simply say that chefencer's action was "non correct"?

[chefencer]

Doesn't Brad have an FIE referee rating now? Wouldn't he simply say that chefencer's action was "non correct"?

Well, we are talking about a ref workshop, so explanation of the action is part of the process...

[Fechter1]

I have to say, the narration by the commentators is excellent.

However, I was having trouble seeing the individual actions in full detail. Video was a bit too grainy for me to see clearly. Maybe I'm just too tired/drunk... meh.

[KD5MDK]

Youtube video is never high quality.

[KD5MDK]

Doesn't Brad have an FIE referee rating now? Wouldn't he simply say that chefencer's action was "non correct"?

I don't care what the FIE thinks, stopping to check your sources is preparation, not non-correct.

[oiuyt]

I don't care what the FIE thinks, stopping to check your sources is preparation, not non-correct.

Doing non-attack things before the attack starts (coming forward quickly without an extension, etc.) is preparation. Having a flawed attack (withdrawing the arm after initiation, etc.) is non-correct.

When reconstructing the action there's no need to discuss the non-attack things before the attack begins, therefore one need not discuss preparation. A flawed attack, however, IS noted by the referee, hence the non-correct call.

The "non-correct" hand signal (usually paired with the verbal "preparation") is, unfortunately, frequently mis-used in many situations where there is a preparation (but not a non-correct attack (although the preparation is generally followed with a counter-attack)). Properly, only the attack signal (for the other fencer) should be made.

That said, if he hestitated to check sources that would be preparation. If he stopped mid-post to check sources that would be non-correct.

-B

[NotIndPk]

.....makes my day.

...better than the morning cup of coffee....

....which comes pouring out my nose reading lines such as these....

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THANK YOU....

[fencerchica]

The "non-correct" hand signal (usually paired with the verbal "preparation") is, unfortunately, frequently mis-used in many situations where there is a preparation (but not a non-correct attack (although the preparation is generally followed with a counter-attack)). Properly, only the attack signal (for the other fencer) should be made.

What does the hand signal for "non-correct" look like? I'm assuming it's not the same as the "attack, no" signal...?

[catwood1]

The signal for "non-correct" is what you most likely thought was a signal for prep. Its the pumping arm on the side who tried to make an attack but somehow messed it up and lost ROW.

[kadams]

There is a possibility of a referee workshop, which is probably what you're looking for, in Virginia in mid-April. Stay tuned to the Division website...

Edit: Haha! AE's faster than me...

AE is my awesome coach!