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Pescados666 · 01-25-2008, 10:45 AM

While I was looking around during Christmas for a foil to buy I did a bit of research and learned about many types of grips. I have looked around on the internet for a Chinese Grip as I dislike the end of my Viscounti poking me in the wrist when I go for a hard 6. The end of a chinese grip looks as if it wouldn't annoy me wrist as much. I only found one at BG and I'm currently saving for that. ($2 a day for lunch will buy me it

) I was wondering why there arn't more places that sell them. Is there a reason like they arn't USFA legal like crosse or true Spanish or something? Also, for the people who want to know, BG's Picture of Chinese Grip

I searched on Google through the seemingly endless sea of gun grips, ping pong grips and chinese men and found nothing.

Gav · 01-25-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pescados666

While I was looking around during Christmas for a foil to buy I did a bit of research and learned about many types of grips. I have looked around on the internet for a Chinese Grip as I dislike the end of my Viscounti poking me in the wrist when I go for a hard 6. The end of a chinese grip looks as if it wouldn't annoy me wrist as much. I only found one at BG and I'm currently saving for that. ($2 a day for lunch will buy me it

) I was wondering why there arn't more places that sell them. Is there a reason like they arn't USFA legal like crosse or true Spanish or something? Also, for the people who want to know, BG's Picture of Chinese Grip

I searched on Google through the seemingly endless sea of gun grips, ping pong grips and chinese men and found nothing.

Looks like a regular ortho grip to me. Pick one of those up from any fencing supplier.

Pescados666 · 01-25-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gav

Looks like a regular ortho grip to me. Pick one of those up from any fencing supplier.

The back on it is different. It has a slight bend to it, curving away from the wrist. I need a new grip anyways. I don't think my hand is a medium anymore. I was thinking this grip in a large or perhaps a Russian grip since I felt one yesterday and it seemed comfortable.

Gav · 01-25-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pescados666

The back on it is different. It has a slight bend to it, curving away from the wrist. I need a new grip anyways. I don't think my hand is a medium anymore. I was thinking this grip in a large or perhaps a Russian grip since I felt one yesterday and it seemed comfortable.

I still say it's a regular grip.

However if you know different then that's fine. As for grip regs do a quick search on this board... this is a topic that has been discussed endlessly.

Beloit Fencer of Old · 01-25-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pescados666

While I was looking around during Christmas for a foil to buy I did a bit of research and learned about many types of grips. I have looked around on the internet for a Chinese Grip as I dislike the end of my Viscounti poking me in the wrist when I go for a hard 6. The end of a chinese grip looks as if it wouldn't annoy me wrist as much. I only found one at BG and I'm currently saving for that. ($2 a day for lunch will buy me it

) I was wondering why there arn't more places that sell them. Is there a reason like they arn't USFA legal like crosse or true Spanish or something? Also, for the people who want to know, BG's Picture of Chinese Grip

I searched on Google through the seemingly endless sea of gun grips, ping pong grips and chinese men and found nothing.

Look at the picture. This grip IS different! It's manufactured upside down!

Purple Fencer · 01-25-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pescados666

While I was looking around during Christmas for a foil to buy I did a bit of research and learned about many types of grips. I have looked around on the internet for a Chinese Grip as I dislike the end of my Viscounti poking me in the wrist when I go for a hard 6. The end of a chinese grip looks as if it wouldn't annoy me wrist as much. I only found one at BG and I'm currently saving for that. ($2 a day for lunch will buy me it

) I was wondering why there arn't more places that sell them. Is there a reason like they arn't USFA legal like crosse or true Spanish or something? Also, for the people who want to know, BG's Picture of Chinese Grip

That's a visconti....probably MADE in China with some MINOR alterations, but it's still a visconti...and it's perfectly legal. (same can be said for the Hungarian grip....it's a Belgian with some minor mods)

You can take a hacksaw and cut down the back portion that's bothering you...you can make any alteration to the grip you want so long as the length doesn't exceed 20cm and it's designed to be held with the thumb withing 2cm from the back of the guard.

carsen82 · 01-25-2008, 12:17 PM

I ordered one of every grip I could find for our club (so members could try them all out) and the Chinese is just like a Visconti, but the end curves away from your wrist instead of staying straight; it allows you to bend your wrist farther than you could with the Visconti. Of course you could also cut off the end of a Visconti and get the same result.

I also seem to remember that Blue Gauntlet is the only supplier I could find that carries them.

HDG · 01-25-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pescados666

The back on it is different. It has a slight bend to it, curving away from the wrist.

So does my LP. Viscontis ending in curves is nothing unusual. The only thing distinct enough to merit them calling this a Chinese grip is the high amounts of lead it surely has...

Stormbringer · 01-25-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

That's a visconti....probably MADE in China with some MINOR alterations, but it's still a visconti...and it's perfectly legal. (same can be said for the Hungarian grip....it's a Belgian with some minor mods)

Interesting... A friend of mine is fond of something he calls a Hungarian grip, which is more Visconti-like and similar to what is sold under that name by FDN:

h ttp://shop.fencing.net/product_p/lp-87ni.htm
(Link is intentionally broken to allow me to post it...)

(He said he got his from TCA...)

I've also seen the Belgian-like one that you speak of (sold by PBT):

h ttp://www.fencepbt.com/pbthome3.nsf/0eb7553f7b936c2085257052004c78a7/6ee9b7dc07e73f3785256d850015245c!OpenDocument
(Link is intentionally broken to allow me to post it...)

So, which is the "true" Hungarian grip (that is, which will more people recognize more often as a Hungarian grip)?

Neinteen · 01-25-2008, 07:08 PM

I have Chinese grips and so do some of my friends, but I think we all got them from BG.

seven6ty · 01-25-2008, 07:23 PM

Yeah, that looks like a normal visconti to me too. You'll find that the amount of curvature on the end will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, as well as the length which it extends back for. I know that I've noticed differences even within one manufacturer's line of viscontis. Uhlmann, for exacmple, have had models with a very rolled end to them, and some that did not have as much roll to it.

LeftHanded · 01-28-2008, 12:40 PM

The Chinese grip is like a visconti but the finger placement is a little different in that it twiststeh fingers up more. The other difference is that he lines of the grip are much more "curvy" where as somthing like a russian or american can be a little more rigid

GypsyScot · 01-28-2008, 05:18 PM

I hate to break it to you guys, but it's a regular Visconti in size Extra Small, the Visconti varies in it end curvature so you can tell the different sizes apart.

I know that BG used to copy the Uhlmann/Allstar Viscontis, I also know they made new molds two years ago in their new factory, I'm not sure if they still base it on that one or a new one. But more or less, Uhlmann/Allstar, BG/SG, TCA, us (AF), and just about anybody who doesn't get their grips from pakistan all have all but exactly the same viscontis...