An odd bayonette style foil/sabre socket on the box of Mr Dan DeChaine.

[Black Jeebus]

I saw an odd bayonette socket on the box of Mr DeChaine, and I was wondering what it was. It was a bayonette socket with a swivel function. The actual socket looking like it was on a hinge joint so that the socket and connector would swivel whenever it was plugged in. Does anyone know anything about this particular style of socket? Where could I find one to try it out?

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by Black Jeebus

I saw an odd bayonette socket on the box of Mr DeChaine, and I was wondering what it was. It was a bayonette socket with a swivel function. The actual socket looking like it was on a hinge joint so that the socket and connector would swivel whenever it was plugged in. Does anyone know anything about this particular style of socket? Where could I find one to try it out?

If it looked like the connector you use for a lightbulb in a car, it was a Tokyo Sport.

I wouldn't worry about trying to find one...if you're intersted in that kind of connector, go for the Italian version (negrini or schermasport....American fencers sells them)...you;ll be able to get better support if something goes wrong...Oiuyt uses them.

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Oiuyt uses them.

Among a growing number of other people.

Several people that have gone through coaches college (and possibily armorers college) have converted due to information from Dan.

There are some NYC-area foilists using them now. Rumor is via recommendation from Buckie, although I have no evidence either way as to the veracity.

I like them. I bought just the plugs (and sockets, obviously) and retrofitted some cords I had lying around. Doing it again I'd probably just spring for the extra and buy the complete cords from Negrini. I'm not a particularly good solderer, so I've had (still relatively rare) issues where repairs were needed. Actually that's currently true for one of my cords.

On the other hand it's worth the comments and looks from armorers when they pick up a cord that's very identifiable as another brand until they get to the plug end. Especially when the brand is a cheapie economy version...

I also dislike that the Negrini insulation is opaque. Even if the wires never have problems, I like to see them.

-B

[KD5MDK]

Any comments on the newish "BG Italian Style Bayonet"?

[larkmaj]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Any comments on the newish "BG Italian Style Bayonet"?

I had the opportunity to look at one last October. I think I have at my club but I'm not around this semester. I found it to be something of a cross between the LP and Italian systems, but not compatible with either. I don't remember the specifics but I thought it was quite pointless and didn't like a few features of it.

As for the OP, I remember seeing that socket. It is an Italian bayonet and compatible with Negrini. I don't remember who made them but Dan had said the Italian team is hogging the majority of the remaining sockets. For a good reason.

[yeoldearmourer]

Carmiai B socket. its about time the rest of you all catch up with us. We have been using them for 28 years now My kids thought LP and 2 prong was pain.We had to train referee's on how to check them.

[Gav]

Anyone got a picture of one of these?

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by Gav

Anyone got a picture of one of these?

From the Negrini website.

-B

[neevel]

Originally Posted by Black Jeebus

I saw an odd bayonette socket on the box of Mr DeChaine, and I was wondering what it was. It was a bayonette socket with a swivel function. The actual socket looking like it was on a hinge joint so that the socket and connector would swivel whenever it was plugged in. Does anyone know anything about this particular style of socket? Where could I find one to try it out?

Sounds like you're talking about the old Nova Scrima 'mobile contact' bayonet socket. Like you described, the socket and plug are broadly similar to the LP bayonet (the plug has a bulkier plastic body and smaller metal 'crossbar' than the LP without the spring and washer), and allows the plug to swivel back and forth laterally when inserted. To my knowledge, it's no longer made or available. It was never very common anyway, but Dan does like to be prepared for anything with his test gear.

-Dave

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by neevel

Sounds like you're talking about the old Nova Scrima 'mobile contact' bayonet socket. Like you described, the socket and plug are broadly similar to the LP bayonet (the plug has a bulkier plastic body and smaller metal 'crossbar' than the LP without the spring and washer), and allows the plug to swivel back and forth laterally when inserted. To my knowledge, it's no longer made or available. It was never very common anyway, but Dan does like to be prepared for anything with his test gear.

-Dave

I think you;re right...i missed the swivel part....DEFINITELY sounds like a NS now.

[Black Jeebus]

Originally Posted by neevel

Sounds like you're talking about the old Nova Scrima 'mobile contact' bayonet socket. Like you described, the socket and plug are broadly similar to the LP bayonet (the plug has a bulkier plastic body and smaller metal 'crossbar' than the LP without the spring and washer), and allows the plug to swivel back and forth laterally when inserted. To my knowledge, it's no longer made or available. It was never very common anyway, but Dan does like to be prepared for anything with his test gear.

-Dave

That sounds like what I saw. I asked Dan about it, but had nothing on hand to make notes. I'm sorry to hear this is no longer in production it seemed like it would be fun to have around just to show people.

Originally Posted by Gav

Anyone got a picture of one of these?

Seconded!

[Rick Shellhouse]

Here are my usual way tooo in depth and close up images of the plug made by Mr Chen. It is the only item I carry from BG.

Plug

http://www.escrimeusa.com/catalog/im...alog_lg_58.jpg

http://www.escrimeusa.com/catalog/im...alog_lg_59.jpg

Socket

http://www.escrimeusa.com/catalog/im...alog_lg_61.jpg

http://www.escrimeusa.com/catalog/im...alog_lg_62.jpg


Hope that helps clarify.


Rick

[HDG]

Originally Posted by Rick Shellhouse

Here are my usual way tooo in depth and close up images of the plug made by Mr Chen. It is the only item I carry from BG.

Plug

http://www.escrimeusa.com/catalog/im...alog_lg_58.jpg

It looks like what would happen if an LP and a Negrini had a baby...

[larkmaj]

It's an improvement over the Italian (for some people) as solder connections are not required, yet I question the need for the spring on the plug.

It's an improvement over the old LP because it does not have the problem of plastic nub wear, and the socket will not come apart as easily. It also takes into account the fact that the channels on the inside of the plug is supposed to fit the wire, which most chinese knock-offs ignore. I am unsure if he solved the problem with the knock-offs of the plug falling apart.

[brtech]

Are the parts interchangeable with the Negrini (Negrini plug in BG socket, BG plug in Negrini socket)? They look like they are, but...

[SJCFU#2]

Originally Posted by brtech

Are the parts interchangeable with the Negrini (Negrini plug in BG socket, BG plug in Negrini socket)? They look like they are, but...

As best I can tell without a set of calipers the maximum width of the opening on a LP socket looks to be equal to or slightly smaller than the inside diameter of a Negrini socket so assuming the BG plug has a rectangular block similar in size to that found on a LP plug then the BG plug should be able to fit into a Negrini socket (at least well enough for body cord testing).

[Alex_Paul]

Originally Posted by Rick Shellhouse

Here are my usual way tooo in depth and close up images of the plug

That's not a close up, this is a close up:

http://www.leonpaul.com/acatalog/F24_pp.jpg



Off topic, there is a new LP bayonet socket is in the pipeline, we are just waiting for the patent to come through. Compatible with all exisiting LP plug copies, it is smaller, lighter, stronger and longer lasting.

Alex

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by Alex_Paul

Compatible with all exisiting LP plug copies

That's hard to believe. Some of the copies have such poor quality control that they aren't compatible with themselves. While I suppose you could have a design that can be variable enough and adjustable enough to accept almost any plug, it's hard to believe that that's actually what you did.

An improved design that is still backwards compatible with existing LP equipment and that will work with most knock-offs that aren't too shoddy would be good enough. :)

-B

[GypsyScot]

Originally Posted by Alex_Paul

Off topic, there is a new LP bayonet socket is in the pipeline, we are just waiting for the patent to come through. Compatible with all exisiting LP plug copies, it is smaller, lighter, stronger and longer lasting.

Alex

You may have my first born, sir.