02-03-2008, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by veeco  Rules that you seem to keep complaining about. Unless you're the masochist type, I don't really see how those rules can make it fun...
Another troll comment, maybe? Once you've actually tried to fence epee with a good epee fencer, you can probably comment on this.
Look, I don't expect you to agree with me. Different people like different things. You like foil, I like epee. You feel foil is more of a fight, more fun, fine. I'm interested in the opinion of epee fencers on this matter, not yours. | If you're talking about the brutality and pain levels in epee, then I agree.
But I guess OROD was referring to the tempo of foil, rather than the level of testicular fortitude (or lack of).
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02-03-2008, 04:33 PM
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#42 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by veeco I'm interested in the opinion of epee fencers on this matter, not yours. | Epee fencers are the best ones to bring to a bar fight.
Saberists are the choice if you are going to a frat party.
Foilists are preferred if the trip is to Chuck E. Cheese.
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02-03-2008, 06:29 PM
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#43 | | Scrub
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Originally Posted by Lemonaide It is precisely because of the 'new and improved' mask - that fencers may feel they then can use more force in fencing - maybe too, some people don't like the mask and will strike their opponent in order to 'get rid of it'. | On what do you base these assertions? | |
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02-03-2008, 08:07 PM
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02-03-2008, 11:35 PM
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#45 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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Originally Posted by HDG On what do you base these assertions? | Failure to take their medication. | |
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02-19-2008, 01:58 AM
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#46 | | Senior Member
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| I miss our plain old, mesh masks. What is the big deal with lexan?
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02-19-2008, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Nmfencer What is the big deal with lexan? | Various television consultants have convinced the FIE that hoards of television viewers would tune in to watch fencing if only they could see their favorite fencer's faces during the bout.
The fact that these consultants work in an industry in which over half the new products are taken off the market within months of their debut does little to inspire confidence in their judgment. | |
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02-19-2008, 08:41 AM
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| Ya know, Pete French was telling me something about a serious accident (read: a death) that happened to a German Sabre girl through a visor mask, and that the FIE refused to release the story. He heard it from the father of another German fencer overseas. Have to take it with a grain of salt though, have no idea if it's true or not. Anyone else heard of this? | |
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02-19-2008, 02:28 PM
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#49 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| You'd think the German media, the family, someone over there would have provided details. | |
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02-19-2008, 02:29 PM
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#50 | | Scrub
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK You'd think the German media, the family, someone over there would have provided details. | Or even the German NGB | |
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02-19-2008, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SJCFU#2 Various television consultants have convinced the FIE that hoards of television viewers would tune in to watch fencing if only they could see their favorite fencer's faces during the bout.
The fact that these consultants work in an industry in which over half the new products are taken off the market within months of their debut does little to inspire confidence in their judgment. | That's proposterous!
Seeing our faces concentrated on scoring a point does not for an exciting bout make. I think that comprehension of the rules such as right of way would get more people to watch.
I know for a fact that more and more of my friends and family enjoy watching after the rules are explained to them.
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02-20-2008, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Nmfencer That's proposterous!
Seeing our faces concentrated on scoring a point does not for an exciting bout make. I think that comprehension of the rules such as right of way would get more people to watch.
I know for a fact that more and more of my friends and family enjoy watching after the rules are explained to them. | I never said it was a good reason. In fact, most people here would probably agree with you.
Unfortunately the FIE doesn't listen to us - they listen to the IOC. And the IOC listens to whoever is paying the most for broadcast rights (and NBC is probably paying as much for broadcast rights as everyone else combined). And networks like NBC are run by executives who would rather listen to a bunch of so-called experts who wouldn't know a foil from a foam pool noodle than consider the possibility that the viewing public may actually have sufficient intelligent to be taught such a bizarre concept as right-of-way.
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02-20-2008, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Nmfencer That's proposterous!
Seeing our faces concentrated on scoring a point does not for an exciting bout make. | Yeah, but seeing dudes die now and then would be pretty cool. Think of all the NASCAR fans that would flock to our sport. | 
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02-20-2008, 09:16 AM
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Yeah, but seeing dudes die now and then would be pretty cool. Think of all the NASCAR fans that would flock to our sport.
| A call for volunteers? 
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02-20-2008, 01:46 PM
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#55 | | Senior Member
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| I'm not THAT big of a martyr, ty.
But it would be a little more exciting.... 
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02-20-2008, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick Thompson Durando wrote:
A call for volunteers? | Can we volunteer roch??? | |
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02-21-2008, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by piste off Epee fencers are the best ones to bring to a bar fight. | I tend to think any decent boxer can floor a epee fencer very well. Much less any mixed martial artists with the new hype on ultimate fighting championship. But the epee fencer could always go for the nut shot.
I think the FIE is seriously screwing sport fencing over without proper consideration for the consequences of their decisions. Visored masks don't really show the face of the fencer in its entirety... just the eyes and nose. Is safety worth the supposed publicity?
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02-21-2008, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Grey Is safety worth the supposed publicity? | What is this publicity thing you speak of??
Oh right....it's all in rene's head.... | |
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02-21-2008, 06:29 PM
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| You'd think that the FIE wouldn't want the financial risk of a lawsuit (although I know there are releases). The FIE requires something, despite the adament protests of many fencers and armorors, that is not nessisarily as safe as something else on the market that was the previous requierment. I haven't read the releases that one must (I assume) sign at an FIE tournemt, but I think that a lawyer could probably make a case. Maybe that's why they're suspending it now, I don't know.
NOTE: I'm not a lawyer and don't know much about law. The things stated above have been based on things that I have read on this forum and that I have learned talking to people outside of this forum (not the law stuff, but the stuff about the masks).
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02-21-2008, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrior Princess You'd think that the FIE wouldn't want the financial risk of a lawsuit (although I know there are releases). The FIE requires something, despite the adament protests of many fencers and armorors, that is not nessisarily as safe as something else on the market that was the previous requierment. I haven't read the releases that one must (I assume) sign at an FIE tournemt, but I think that a lawyer could probably make a case. Maybe that's why they're suspending it now, I don't know.
NOTE: I'm not a lawyer and don't know much about law. The things stated above have been based on things that I have read on this forum and that I have learned talking to people outside of this forum (not the law stuff, but the stuff about the masks). | t.15. 1. Fencers arm, equip and clothe themselves and fence at their own
responsibility and at their own risk.
2. The safety measures specified in the Rules and in the standards
contained in the annexe to them and the methods of control laid down
in the present Rules (cf. Material Rules) are only designed to increase
the fencers’ safety and cannot guarantee it. They cannot,
therefore, whatever the manner in which they are applied, impart responsibility to the FIE, or to the organisers of competitions, to the
officials or personnel who carry out such organisation, or to those
who may cause an accident. | |
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