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Swordsman · 09-13-2001, 04:29 PM

I'm sorry it had to come to this, but most of you hear are disgusting me with your reactions, especially towards those in the service. Therefore, I'm quitting writing here on principle. I don't know if or when I'll be back. Fencing Angel, this isn't directed at you. The rest of you...you really disappointed me, Arcon, with some of your comments. Moonitic, Zelda...I would have hoped you'd be a little stronger. iwannabe, you didn't sound as bad, but still not real clear in your thinking. And there are others, but I can't remember them all.

Anyway, I'm out of here, maybe for good. I don't know.

Moonitic · 09-13-2001, 07:18 PM

I was going to say something, but I NEVER should have to justify my words.

Ok, never mind, I WILL say something. People are angry, hurt, scared, whatever. It's their right to feel whatever they need to feel. Whatever part in the grieving process they are in, they need to be there.

Sorry you feel the way you do, or that we haven't met your expectations of us. I honestly don't know how or why this came about. Well, I'm not sorry. I'm confused.
And I'm sad to see someone that I thought was a friend go.

That's what the terrorists want. They want us divided.

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: Moonitic ]

Iwant2bafencer · 09-13-2001, 07:48 PM

That pretty much sums my 'thoughts' up right there.
What exactly are you driving at here? I dont know of any cruel or 'sickening' statements by ANYONE here on this board. Maybe if YOU were more 'clear in your thinking,' and actually gave us an example then we might be able to/want to explain our so called thoughts.
Moon's right thats what they want us to do.

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Carpe Diem

lochinvar · 09-13-2001, 08:24 PM

I am sorry that you feel you have to go.

I don't know if anything I've said caused this reaction, but I want you to know that I had two brothers who served in the fleet, and lost several friends in 'Nam. I have nothing but the utmost respect for the uniform of the United States Armed Services, and apologize if I ever gave an impression otherwise.

Come back when/if you feel you can.

I can only speak for myself, but so far as I'm concerned, you're always welcome.

Swordsman · 09-13-2001, 08:54 PM

Thank you for your concern, Loch. Iwannabe - check the "World Trade Center" thread in the water cooler. If you can't see what I'm talking about, I'm not going to bother explaining it. Moon - keep in mind your context, when you use "expectations" and "friends". Yes, I had higher expectations, at least of Arcon. But that was wrong; I was judging the character when I knew nothing of the author. As for you, I had no expectations. I don't know you well enough. As for "friend", I believe you can have friends online. But I don't know you guys well enough, and your lack of, well, spine makes me wonder if I really want to be that close. I'm sorry, but I've lived my whole life getting moved around every few years. My father has been gone for up to eight months at a time. When he was "home", he'd be gone before I woke up in the morning, and if I was lucky he'd say good-night before I fell asleep at night.

I won't believe that this was all for nothing. And that's sure what it seems like when people say that the military is there ONLY to serve those who pay their salaries. WE pay those, too. We pay the same taxes. I also get the idea that it was all for nothing when people get this timid. Because that influences our leaders. And if they are afraid even to strike back at a small band of renegades who killed upwards of 60,000 or our CIVILIANS, then what are we even here for? We can't deter, we can't fight, we can't do anything but train. And you know what? I've seen it everywhere I've been: People truly DON'T understand the feeling of having your hands bound, and that you've been jerked around for nothing, unless they are in the service, or have a parent in. That's why you people are making me so mad. And I'm going to leave now.

Willow · 09-13-2001, 10:24 PM

I'm a service wife....I understand some of what you are saying. I know what it's like to move around, have my husband gone for months at a time, be both mother and father for the kids, pay the bills, etc..

Moonitic · 09-14-2001, 05:31 AM

Spine? Sorry kiddo, but I have an unborn child to think of. You have NO idea what kind of "spine" I have. When I first heard of the attacks, I was ready to grab a weapon myself to fight. You can ask Willow about that. She's my best friend OFF line & knows me personally.

By the time people started to post here, I had calmed down. It will do my child no good for his or her mother to be upset.

And I stand by everything that I've said. Now is not the time to turn against each other, but unite against a common enemy.

By the way, I didn't have a father growing up. Consider yourself lucky. Mine was too busy beating up his wife, & raping his step daughter.

Spine indeed.

DLTaylor · 09-14-2001, 02:57 PM

What part of the servie are you in?

lochinvar · 09-14-2001, 03:33 PM

DL:

Swordsman is 16 (I think).

His father is a Lt. Colonel in the Air Force, I believe.

Iwant2bafencer · 09-14-2001, 03:33 PM

I see no problem in what i said. I simply stated my fealings! If I'm breaking a law by doing that by all means tell me!
That's what I thought I'm not. I stand by what I said as well. What I said about fighting with each other is one of the main things I stand by. Also, if you are low enough to put someones writing or words down at a time like THIS! Then I dont know what kind of person you are. People are dead to many to count. Their relations are mourning. Even if you have no relation it's only natural to mourn. Do you actually think that someone is going to choose their words so carefully, and proofread everthing in their times of need?
Oh and about the being in the service. I can't beat Moon's, but right now my brother is working DIRECTLY with a lot of dangerous stuff with this. I cried myself to sleep last night because I was scared to death that either him or my dad could die in the next few days! I moved around to. Everytime I made a new friend I either moved, or they did.
Also our military is not 'scared' to strike back! They are strategizing! You dont just run blindly into war. Everyone knows that!
I stand behind Moon 100% I dont think this is a time to fight. Although right now I say skrew you and your 'being sickened' by our written thoughts, and our mournful fealings.
You should really look at every angle of things. Especially at a time like this.
On a more friendly note. I hope yo live a long and peacful life. If you deside to come back great I'm all for it. If not that's fine to. It's your choice.

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Carpe Diem

Fencing Angel · 09-14-2001, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lochinvar:
<STRONG>I can only speak for myself, but so far as I'm concerned, you're always welcome.</STRONG>

Loch.. i know you said that you could only speek for your self... .but i am speeking for everying here.... (not including GW or 355)
Swordsman... you are ALWAYS welcome here.. and you will be missed.. you are one of our best writers.. your a great friend, and i hope that you will be back soon...
God bless you and all the familys of the service.

arcon · 09-15-2001, 02:39 PM

Sword, what you read was directed towards one persons attitude.

Im truly sorry you took it personally.

You are smart, youre a good writer but sometimes you interpretation is (i believe)mistaken).

I have respected you and tried to be a friend. It doesnt matter to me HOW old you are but i have to say that i believe your feeling are on your shoulders. No matter what you think I was by no means downing the military. I was displeased with one persons attitude. This is a right we all have. Its very important in life to try and remain mature about our differences. And do our best to understand each other.

We have the problems we have now because an entire culture doesnt like or understand ours. Lets not do it ourselves.
We would not talk and share with you like you were and adult if we didnt respect you as a young adult.

Please dont stay like this....give this more thought.

arcon

Swordsman · 09-15-2001, 09:45 PM

I truly don't care how old you think I am. Now, allow me to re-explain myself. And then I'm done defending this.

I know you disagree with somebody's opinion. I know that's your opinion. But I SERIOUSLY disagree with that. Now, I can't tell you not to think that, or that you're wrong, but I also don't have to go along with it. And I feel that my continued participation in the writing here is a kind of aquiescence. And I don't do that, so I'm leaving.

Moonitic · 09-16-2001, 07:58 AM

So leave already.

Gang, we can't coddle him. And there is no need to justify what we've said in other threads. Some people do not seem to understand that right now, there are a lot of very difficult feelings. Hurt, anger, rage, sorrow...the list goes on. Adults have to cope with it as much as kids and teens do. And some adults have previous experience with things not unlike this, which makes it MORE difficult to come to terms with what happened on Tuesday. What needs to be understood is that not everyone will have the same reaction as you. And that is okay. It is not weak, or spineless, or wrong. It is where they are in the process. Ask Cork. She has a degree in psychology.

For the record, I've said nothing against the military. I support the military. Since my best friend's husband is in the Coast Guard, my brother was Navy, cousin Army, I have respect for those who serve. And their lives aren't easy. Especially right now. But whose life really IS easy right now, with the tragedies so close to the surface?

lochinvar · 09-16-2001, 11:04 AM

Clarification to Swordsman:

The age was mentioned simply to indicate that you, personally, are not currently serving in the ARmed Forces. DLTaylor had asked what branch you were.

The relationship (i.e. son) was then specified, so the reader/asker could get a clearer picture of where you were coming from.

And if you think that posting fantasy fiction to an internet bulletin board is somehow legitimizing views that you oppose, or is "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"...well, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

Good luck to you. No hard feelings.

Iwant2bafencer · 09-16-2001, 02:30 PM

Unless I entirely missed something. You still haven't REALLY explained your reason for leaving. I find that writing in Fantasy Land or anything of the sort helps ease my pain. I know that my writing isn't that humorous, but sometimes it helps me not to be humorous. I am working on getting my writing well rounded. Swordsman I enjoy reading what you write. You are very good at it. I know that your writing will be missed. I know it's better than mine, and I;m working on mine. I know that I wasn't puting the military down. Like I said before my brother, and my father both serve. I my self and thinking of enlisting when I get out of school. I respect your opinion on everything. Along with everyone elses. I just hope that you will show the same respect for me. You can go or stay. I yours, and only your desition. Again I hope your life is long and happy.
God bless you, and our country.

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Willow · 09-17-2001, 06:48 AM

Even if Sword is a military brat, he should know to treat his elders with RESPECT. I'm ashamed of the way he has chosen to treat some of the people on this board. If you don't agree with them, Sword, that's FINE for you. But, don't get up on a high horse and assume that because SOME of the people aren't military on here, they have no clue about what is going on or what you think SHOULD be done or whatever! Maybe it's better if you leave right now and calm down. This military wife would smack your butt or ground you until the end of time if you were my child. Show RESPECT to people. Nobody, even those in the military, WANT a war. No one WANTS war. Yes, sometimes it's a necessary evil and has to be done. But, if someone doesn't want a war and YOU DO, DON'T blast them or call them spineless. You haven't walked a mile in their shoes. I know what you go through, with your father in the military. Don't say I don't understand, because I actually DO. I like you a lot, Sword, but I'm having a very hard time with your behavior, and frankly, from a military family point of view, I'm ashamed of you.

SteveMcDonough · 09-17-2001, 11:01 AM

What did I say, Sword, and how did I offend thee? Point me out here, and I'll delete any offensive postings. Whatever I posted, I meant no offense by them, but obviously, I hadn't thought out the wording?

I don't know. I can't remember what I typed.

Swordsman · 09-17-2001, 06:57 PM

Willow - I'm ashamed of me too. If my parents read this, they'd probably ground me, too.

Steve - Sorry man, didn't mean to bring you into this.

The rest of you - this is gonna take a little to type, probably. So you know what? I'll just start a new thread.

Swordsman · 09-17-2001, 06:58 PM

P.S.

Steve - You apologized, and offered to take anything back. And you weren't even in the wrong. Thanks. And again, sorry.