12-20-2007, 05:05 PM
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| Foil Bell Gaurd Sizes
Will different bell guard sizes (90mm vs. 110mm) effect moves? Will binds be less affective, beats easier/harder, feints easier/harder to accomplish, ect.? I'm just wondering why people prefer different types and sizes
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12-20-2007, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Caleb  Will different bell guard sizes (90mm vs. 110mm) effect moves? Will binds be less affective, beats easier/harder, feints easier/harder to accomplish, ect.? I'm just wondering why people prefer different types and sizes
-Cheers | Excuse me, it's trivial I know, but switch the au to ua as in guard. Otherwise I may go madder. 
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12-20-2007, 07:43 PM
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| People with bigger hands use bigger ones so their fingers don't get hit.
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12-20-2007, 09:04 PM
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| It is slightly easier to make pris-de-fer and opposition actions with larger guards.
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12-21-2007, 12:08 AM
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| but are there any advantages to smaller ones?
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12-21-2007, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Caleb but are there any advantages to smaller ones? | Lighter weight, perhaps more stylish.
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12-21-2007, 02:22 AM
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| If there is anything other than a weight saving advantage I have yet to be convinced of it. I have had some "classical" fencers tell me the smaller guards let them do tighter bladework and disengages. I don't buy that personally and considering that kids just coming out of my beginners class can crush the guys telling me how great their bladework with their tiny bells are, I tend to think the whole theory is crap. Not completely ruling it out, but for sport fencing I don't think there is a difference other than weight/balance point and personal preference. Myself, I use a 120mm Vniti for foil.
Also do keep in mind that if you are using a medium or large pistol grip with any significant amount of cant to it and a tiny bell, chances are the weapon is non-conforming in a strictly speaking or FIE event sort of way...
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12-21-2007, 03:14 AM
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| For LEARNING, I give fencers foils with the small guard. This encourages a reliance on the POSITIONING of the BLADE in 3-dimentional space in providing a defensive barrier.
For COMPETITION, I provide wide guards. It's legal, fair, provides more of a defensive barrier, and might (unless the guard is especially heavy) help score a few more points.
The wider guard can help with binds and oppositions. Beats and presses? - I don't think so.
(btw, this is a good question.)
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12-21-2007, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Caleb Will different bell guard sizes (90mm vs. 110mm) effect moves? Will binds be less affective, beats easier/harder, feints easier/harder to accomplish, ect.? I'm just wondering why people prefer different types and sizes | One minor point - m.9 lists the minimum diameter for a foil guard as 9.5 cm, not 9.0. | |
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12-21-2007, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jjefferies Excuse me, it's trivial I know, but switch the au to ua as in guard. Otherwise I may go madder. | jj...why not pick on the affect/effect and "ect.," and other errors...they drive ME madder!
I like the big bell (I use the 120). I seldom get my fingers crushed, and at least once a competition, I have some kid say "Wow...that's a big bell! Is that from an epee?"  | |
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