New USFA Officers - Nominating Committee Report?

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!

Originally Posted by DieterS

Haha . . . sorta like starting out with election pools before a DE election.

Dieter

Er... no.

That would be a Conitzer-Sandholm hybridized (Condorcet/Plurality) Voting Algorithm. Once it is enacted in USFA, I hereby nominate Inq as head of the voting committee.

Actually, the Condorcet method is more like having a maxi-poule, and the one who wins all his bouts is declared the winner. If there is no such person, the winner is found among the smallest set of competitors which have won all their bouts against those outside the set.

How to do that? There are several methods. If you feel that you are up to it, do a Google search for Kemeny-Young Method.

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There? Read all of it? Can you keep your head from spinning? If not, I have just saved you the price of a big cup of eggnog!


Happy Christmas!

Peter Gustafsson

[KD5MDK]

I think it would be far more constructive to figure out why we would need a contested election before we select an election committee and have to draw up a format.

I am awaiting the NC report from the USFA secretary and I'll post it here as soon as I receive it. (It's being mailed)

[edew]

Originally Posted by veeco

I my experience (limited at the club level), all fencing moms or dads who took a responsability in helping the club and became officers of that club were doing it not in the hopes to benefit the club itself, but with an more personal motive in mind.

I'd rather have fencers (or non-fencers, but non-parents) take care of the business side of things. Volunteer parents are usually great and really helpful, but once they are granted the power to make decisions that can affect other fencers, it's a bad idea.

In fact, I have systematically voted against the fencing dad / mom in all fencing elections I could vote in.

I know where you're coming from. I have seen more than one (lessee....fifteen brazilian of them?) example of parents taking over and doing it for personal reasons (and then dropping everything off once the kid goes off to college).

On the other hand, there are some who are very dedicated to their roles, such as Mary Griffith, and many others who I see as very beneficial to the organization.

In this case, I would take each nominee on his or her own merits and not broadswipe any fencing parent off the slate.

[edew]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I think it would be far more constructive to figure out why we would need a contested election before we select an election committee and have to draw up a format.

I am awaiting the NC report from the USFA secretary and I'll post it here as soon as I receive it. (It's being mailed)

Hey, where's Michel Mamlouk when you need some scuttlebug?

[FencingKitten]

Why on *earth* is it being mailed in 200-freaking-7? I'm sure it would take her significantly less time and save the USFA some postage if she just put it into some convenient electronic format and emailed it to you? Did I miss a requirement that a member receive a physical copy in response to a request of this nature?

[KD5MDK]

I doubt inadequate use of electronic resources is a problem with the Secretary the Nominating Committee selected.

[jjefferies]

Originally Posted by FencingKitten

Why on *earth* is it being mailed in 200-freaking-7? I'm sure it would take her significantly less time and save the USFA some postage if she just put it into some convenient electronic format and emailed it to you? Did I miss a requirement that a member receive a physical copy in response to a request of this nature?

This is for the same reason that we have to register for NAC's/SN by mail or fax. Someone at USFA really doesn't like or fears the 21st Century.

[dsapery]

Originally Posted by FencingKitten

Why on *earth* is it being mailed in 200-freaking-7? I'm sure it would take her significantly less time and save the USFA some postage if she just put it into some convenient electronic format and emailed it to you? Did I miss a requirement that a member receive a physical copy in response to a request of this nature?

The bylaws stipluate that "Notice of the contested election and the names of the duly qualified candidates shall be mailed by first class mail to each member entitled to vote therein."

Although it sounds nice to be able to do the election via email or website, there are way too many opportunities for things to go wrong and for otherwise invalid "ballots" to be counted. Even in this day and age, you need to have a proper paper trail for any election.

Regardless, a bylaws amendment would be required for the election to be conducted any other way.

[KD5MDK]

But we don't have a contested election yet. This isn't a request for a ballot, this is a request for the nominating committee report.

[Philistine]

It might be helpful to have a short bio of the candidates for those who aren't familiar with them. Something like: age, years fencing & primary weapon (if applicable), division, occupation, and prior USFA experience, etc.

I must say that I'm pleased to see the nominations of the two candidates I'm familiar with, and think they'd do a fantastic job.


--Philistine

[Allen Evans]

Originally Posted by Philistine

.... years fencing & primary weapon (if applicable), ....

Hopefully, the candidates won't be judged as fit for holding office based on their competitive fencing skills.

AE

[KD5MDK]

I dunno, if there's a tie maybe there should be a barrage.

[Philistine]

Originally Posted by Allen Evans

Hopefully, the candidates won't be judged as fit for holding office based on their competitive fencing skills.

AE

Just thinking it would be interesting from a background perspective--I don't think competitive success is a necessary prerequisite for being a USFA officer. On the other hand, if someone had it, it might be interesting to know, from a standpoint of assessing their general mindset.

--Philistine

[zeissg]

Originally Posted by veeco

I'd rather have fencers (or non-fencers, but non-parents) take care of the business side of things. Volunteer parents are usually great and really helpful, but once they are granted the power to make decisions that can affect other fencers, it's a bad idea.

In fact, I have systematically voted against the fencing dad / mom in all fencing elections I could vote in.

Of course, there are those of us who were fencers long before we became parents and have shepherded our kids into the sport (god knows why )

At least there's V50 for me...

[DJ Apostrophe]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I dunno, if there's a tie maybe there should be a barrage.

I think 2 out of 3 RPS would suffice.

-w

[KD5MDK]

You mean "Attack, Parry-Riposte, Disengage"?

[FencingKitten]

The USFA website has been updated with the information that we've had here on F.net for some time Specifically, they've added the NC's selections as a Domestic News item, where they also assert that official notification to the membership is planned for January in accordance with the bylaws.

So, you know, go website being updated.

[jjefferies]

Ok, I am not familiar with the nominating committee's selection. Can anyone fill us in on who they are. Are any of them a part of fencing.net? Qualifications, any thought on how they will approach some of the burning issues of our times like online registration, inclusion of 40-49's in Veterans World Championships, plans for promoting fencing to the unbloodied masses?

From the USFA WEBSITE:
FOR
President: Kalle Weeks
Vice-President: Jerry Benson
Vice-President: Roberto Sobalvarro
Vice-President: Mark Stasinos
Secretary: Bradley Baker
Treasurer: R. Greg Dilworth

[edew]

Originally Posted by jjefferies

Ok, I am not familiar with the nominating committee's selection. Can anyone fill us in on who they are. Are any of them a part of fencing.net? Qualifications, any thought on how they will approach some of the burning issues of our times like online registration, inclusion of 40-49's in Veterans World Championships, plans for promoting fencing to the unbloodied masses?

From the USFA WEBSITE:
FOR
President: Kalle Weeks
Vice-President: Jerry Benson
Vice-President: Roberto Sobalvarro
Vice-President: Mark Stasinos
Secretary: Bradley Baker
Treasurer: R. Greg Dilworth

Kalle is the person usually at NACs handing you your DE slip back congratulating you for a good bout. You probably haven't seen enough of her, most likely.

Jerry is coach of Redlands Fencing Club in Oklahoma. Former mullet-haired guy, now Mr. Presidential candidate. Ro is coach of Twin Cities Fencing Club in Minnesota. Salt-and-pepper beard. Mark Stasinos fences in Utah, may be currently coaching there, certainly have coached in that area. Brad "oiuyt" is assistant coach at Temple, tall, gaunt guy who refs when he's not fencing (usually saber or epee, mostly saber). Greg Dilworth is shaped as his name implies. Patrician, old money-ish (whether he is or not is not the point). Top level referee and is now a member of the FOC.

[dridge]

Greg Dilworth, the high-level referee and member of the FOC, posts here as "Greg_D".