12-14-2007, 10:47 PM
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| Help, director hand signals!
Tomorrow I will be reffing a JV tournament.
I know right of way and all that, and I have reffed at my club many times.
Can someone just help me with the hand signals for off target and all that junk?
I just need it so I look more professional.
I know that for touches you raise your hand on the side of the person that scored.. but what else?
It will be foil btw.
Any videos or pictures of the motions would be nice.
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12-14-2007, 10:49 PM
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| Read the rulebook as they are all laid out very well in there and they even have pictures.  Also you can find just the sheet of pictures on the FOC website somewhere IIRC.
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12-14-2007, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookeit  Tomorrow I will be reffing a JV tournament.
I know right of way and all that, and I have reffed at my club many times.
Can someone just help me with the hand signals for off target and all that junk?
I just need it so I look more professional.
I know that for touches you raise your hand on the side of the person that scored.. but what else?
It will be foil btw.
Any videos or pictures of the motions would be nice. | The rulebook has pictures of all the hand signals. It might not be entirely clear what the motion is supposed to be from these still images (drawings), but if you look at those, it'd be a good start. Then you could ask for more clarifications here on the bits you aren't 100% on.
Some hints for starters:
One hand at a time.
Don't worry about the halt signal for now.
Focus on "attack", "parry", "off target" "no", and "touch arrives".
Do it slowly.
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12-14-2007, 10:53 PM
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12-15-2007, 12:33 AM
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| Somewhere in the bay area Mauler's hands a twitching. Once long ago he was there for aspiring young refs to show the propper placement of the hands for a parry (horizontal inside) the ideal pacing (measured and deliberate) the crisp angles. Now who will the youth of today goto for this wisdom?
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12-15-2007, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by notalent Somewhere in the bay area Mauler's hands a twitching. Once long ago he was there for aspiring young refs to show the propper placement of the hands for a parry (horizontal inside) the ideal pacing (measured and deliberate) the crisp angles. Now who will the youth of today goto for this wisdom? | Perhaps someone has a video clip of him providing such wisdom? Or maybe someone could convince him to be videotaped from several angles?
Actually, I would would love for someone to produce video clips of correct hand signals. It would help us refs out in the hinterlands of the fencing world to improve... | |
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12-15-2007, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by notalent Now who will the youth of today goto for this wisdom? | Sharon. If the youth dare approach. | |
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12-15-2007, 11:48 AM
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| Well, there is a video of ref hand signals here. I offer no comments on it. | |
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12-15-2007, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HDG Well, there is a video of ref hand signals here. I offer no comments on it. | I like how this one is done a bit better.
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12-15-2007, 01:41 PM
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| If you listen closely, you can hear that ref's elbow bursa sac groaning with every snappy gesture. 
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12-15-2007, 02:33 PM
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| I think it would be great if in one of the Fencing Pictures foil videos, they had a camera focusing on the referee showing his/her hand signals. Perhaps in a picture in picture box. It would be highly instructive.
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12-15-2007, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HDG Well, there is a video of ref hand signals here. I offer no comments on it. | If the attack comes from the right and misses, which hand do you signal the miss with? I thought the left, but the fellow in the video at the end does it with the right.
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12-15-2007, 02:49 PM
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| Fencer on the Right attacks and misses.
The referee uses his/her right hand to signal the attack, then his/her left hand to signal "no."
FotR attacks and hits off-target.
The referee uses his/her right hand to signal the attack, then his/her left hand to signal off-target.
FotR attacks and hits on target.
The referee uses his/her right hand to signal the attack, then his/her left hand to signal touch.
FotR attacks and is parried.
The referee uses his/her right hand to signal the attack, then both hands to signal a parry to his/her left.
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12-15-2007, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomas N If the attack comes from the right and misses, which hand do you signal the miss with? I thought the left, but the fellow in the video at the end does it with the right.
Tomas | As Brad has said, the hand signal is not correct here. | |
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12-15-2007, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt I like how this one is done a bit better.
-B | Meh, "Competitors Ready" bears a striking resemblance to something you might see in a Riefenstahl film...
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12-15-2007, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomas N If the attack comes from the right and misses, which hand do you signal the miss with? I thought the left, but the fellow in the video at the end does it with the right.
Tomas | The easy way to explain this is: One hand says where the attack came from and the other says what happened to it. (non-valid, valid, "no", or parried). | |
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12-15-2007, 08:17 PM
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| Dudes!
My reffing today went just great.
I directed 4 team matches, totaling about 25 bouts.
I did pretty well and made a cool $40 ($10 for each match).
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12-15-2007, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by peet The easy way to explain this is: One hand says where the attack came from and the other says what happened to it. (non-valid, valid, "no", or parried). | But a point-in-line is signaled in the direction of the blade, so it uses the opposite hand. Quote:
Originally Posted by oiuyt FotR attacks and hits on target.
The referee uses his/her right hand to signal the attack, then his/her left hand to signal touch. | Fencer on the right hits with a point-in-line.
The referee uses his/her left hand to signal the line, then his/her left hand to signal touch.
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Reason: Fix copy-paste error. Thanks, Brad.
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12-15-2007, 10:25 PM
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| I've never seen a referee make an additional hand signal in conjunction with "line" other than to award a touch. I suppose it could arrive non-valid, but I can't remember it ever happening. | |
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12-15-2007, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK I've never seen a referee make an additional hand signal in conjunction with "line" other than to award a touch. | I can't remember seeing it one way or the other.
At a referee clinic, I believe that Greg Dilworth said something like, "I suppose that you should gesture for the line," raised his arm for point-in-line gesture, "and then signal again for the touch," lowered his arm and then extended it again to indicate a touch. Then he shrugged and said something that amounted to, "I don't think that I would ever actually do that." | |
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