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    Who makes the lightest FIE full-stretch jacket?

    I am in the market for a new jacket this season, so I am wondering if any of you can tell me which company makes the lightest/thinniest 800 N jacket. I currently wear an Uhlmann Olympia, but the best jacket I ever owned was an Allstar Startex dated 1997--it was super-light, almost felt cold to the touch, and was slippery on the outside. Startex doesn't seem to be that way anymore, so if anyone has any thoughts on this, please let me know. BTW, Leon Paul's kit seems to be lightweight, but the sleeves are extremely wide (they also only had a panel stretch jacket for me to try on).

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    Negrini and Leon Paul compete for the best full-stretch jackets I've tried on. The LP Sydney jacket is pretty nice--full stretch and I think at least .5 mm thinner than the majority of uniforms. Seems like a stupid amount--.5 mm--but it's noticable. I personally liked the Negrini FIE Stretch better when I tried it on at Nationals, which is why I just bought that set, but part of that has to do with the fact that the cut on the Negrini is better for my body type. So yeah, those are the top two I'd reccomend.

    e: Both cost top dollar, but since you're wearing an Olympia it seems like you'd be willing to pay for it.

    e2: Had Uhlmann World Cup and that sucked because the cut was all wrong for me. Oh well.

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    I've heard Cartel makes extremely thin jackets, but don't have any handy to compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KD5MDK View Post
    I've heard Cartel makes extremely thin jackets, but don't have any handy to compare.
    Yep, Cartel's the thinnest I've had. However, I haven't had the chance to try LP yet. But it's thinner than Negrini.

    The downfall of Cartel's is that the cut works well only if you have really boxy legs and short arms. Otherwise it doesn't work that well.
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    I have a Cartel uniform as well and it is by far the thinnest I've seen or owned. I second the boxy cut, but they custom cut mine for free and the sleeves are plenty long. Customer service ordering from them is top notch, the price at the time was cheap, and the workmanship is below that of LP, Negrini, and PbT. Most Uhlmann/Allstar are also better workmanship, but I've seen a few that are not. You get what you pay for, but they are by far the lightest out there.
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    A post from Alex Paul a while ago regarding the materials used in their FIE jackets. Best I can figure the other company that uses the same fabric as them is Negrini. This is in response to some of FF's comments so it is long winded.

    I thought it might be somewhat relevant to the discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_Paul View Post
    My 2 cents...

    All stretch materials are not made equally.

    There are several new FIE materials on the market that have differing qualities. All of which I have looked at, made samples from Etc... In order in which I PERSONALLY find attributes of a fabric most annoying or undesirable:

    1) "Piss yellow" colour I hope no one finds the term offensive but I find the color offensive. It is very hard and expensibve to make a WHITE stretch FIE material. I will accept very slightly off white but there is no way I would make an LP jacket out of the piss yellow cheap fabric some use. If you can deal with it then fine but it is a bugbear of mine.

    2) Flexibility, some is as stiff as a board.

    3) Stretchiness some stretch a LOT others don't.

    4) Weight in g pre square meter or ahatever. It is relatively easy to make an 800 N fabric if it is very thick.

    5) Thickness which ranges, for stretch material at least, from 1.3mm up to in excess of 2mm.

    The more of these key attributes you compromise on the cheaper the cloth and the cheaper the garment. That is why absolute are able to sell such a cheap FIE jacket, some are mid priced and others are more expensive.

    In the past I think I was probably comparing LP prices with Uhlman and they allong with Allstar of course are the only others who use the same cloth as LP.

    LP have recently found a material that is white, has a good level of stretch, is 1.6mm thick and is nicely flexible. It is much cheaper than our Sydney range cloth and we will be releasing a new stretch range at some point soon.

    It is as good or better than all the stretch cloth used by the manufacturers on your list (in fact better for the price) however; it is NOT as good as the material we use for our Sydney range which is EXTORTIONATELY expensive. The Sydney range material is, as far as I know only used by the one other company who you have missed off your list and I promise you it is the best material available. It is crystal white, washes well, stretches really well, is only 1.3 mm thick etc...

    IMOHO to say that the only things you compare on are FIE, the fact that it is stretch and price means that it isn't really an apples to apples comparrison. It is a bit like saying all I care about is having a car that is fast and silver and drawing the conclusion that a Toyota supra is as good as Ferrari.

    If you are interested FF I will send you off cuts of some of the materials we have looked at and the material we use for the Sydney range so you can compare what the cheap stretch FIE material that all of the other companies in your comparrison are using and the Sydney material?

    As I say LP have a cheap stretch range coming soon... (and it isn't "piss yellow" )

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    I've heard that Rick Shellhouse's Escrime 900+ jacket is extremely lightweight because of the high percentage of >>>>> uh...whatever the strong fabric is called...

    I would ask him about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloit Fencer of Old View Post
    I've heard that Rick Shellhouse's Escrime 900+ jacket is extremely lightweight because of the high percentage of >>>>> uh...whatever the strong fabric is called...

    I would ask him about it.
    Probably dyneema possibly not... the trick is in the construction of the fabric rather than anything else.

    Balistic nylons are very heavy so less is lighter.

    As I said in my post above it is fairly easy to make a heavy 800N material.

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    Just to add to that the lightest FIE would always be non stretch.

    We could make a lightweight jacket out of the same material we use for our ultralight plastron but it would be painfully thin and have NO stretch.

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    Alex,

    I'm getting a new jacket for xmas; do you have any more details on the new FIE stretch line alluded to in your posts above? And when it would be coming out/how much it would be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_Paul View Post
    Just to add to that the lightest FIE would always be non stretch.
    Alex is correct on this...


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    what about PBT's superlight? or is that not light enough?
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    It doesn't stretch, although it is very comfortable. For non-stretch, Cartel definitely makes the lightest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whtouche View Post
    Alex,

    I'm getting a new jacket for xmas; do you have any more details on the new FIE stretch line alluded to in your posts above? And when it would be coming out/how much it would be?
    It will be out when we can get a larger tailoring unit to fit the new machines in I'm afraid.

    It will be full stretch and have the same Transpor dry fibre lining as out Competition and Sydney range. It also has the same black contrast stitching as on the uniforms that the US team are wearing.

    Its not as thin light and stretchy as the Sydney but it will be about the same price as our current atlanta so about £100 or $200 with the exchange rate being so bad!

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    Fatfencer says...

    PBT has some great quality stuff. Bought some of the closeout gear from Bran at Ziv and I have to say I was duly impressed. Not only is it stretch but cheap too!!

    I hold out hope for Escrime Intl but as of yet I haven't seen anything from them. I'm waiting until their 900plus newton gear comes out.

    See Bran at Ziv!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatfencer View Post
    PBT has some great quality stuff. Bought some of the closeout gear from Bran at Ziv and I have to say I was duly impressed. Not only is it stretch but cheap too!!

    I hold out hope for Escrime Intl but as of yet I haven't seen anything from them. I'm waiting until their 900plus newton gear comes out.

    See Bran at Ziv!!

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    Thanks FF for the hattip...

    We still have a good deal of the older PBT "Budapest" 800N FIE clothing and foil/sabre lames available at 35%-50% off normal prices. You can see it in the clearance section of our homepage.

    Granted most of the gear is from 1999-2001, but it's been stored well and works perfectly fine. I have a feeling a bunch will be making its way to the J.O.'s....

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    I think I might, but you won't see it around J.O.s....

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