12-11-2007, 01:43 PM
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| Disruptive Behavior?
Two fencers are standing at opposite ends of the strip. The Director has not restarted the bout.
It is very quiet. One fencer says to the audience" "It's too quiet in here. Can somebody make some noise?" The audience laughs. This is the first time the fencer has spoken during the bout.
The Director immediately cards the fencer for "disruptive behavior on the strip" (a red card in this case, which brings the score to 13-11).
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12-11-2007, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by justasking  Two fencers are standing at opposite ends of the strip. The Director has not restarted the bout.
It is very quiet. One fencer says to the audience" "It's too quiet in here. Can somebody make some noise?" The audience laughs. This is the first time the fencer has spoken during the bout.
The Director immediately cards the fencer for "disruptive behavior on the strip" (a red card in this case, which brings the score to 13-11).
Opinions? | Obviously, the >Referee< should be drawn and quartered, then decapitated and his head left on a pike at the entrance to the venue for all to see and take note of. Would that be sufficient punishment for you?
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12-11-2007, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by oso97 Obviously, the >Referee< should be drawn and quartered, then decapitated and his head left on a pike at the entrance to the venue for all to see and take note of. Would that be sufficient punishment for you? | That's a bit tame, considering the loss of a point. | |
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12-11-2007, 01:58 PM
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| ^^ What he said. Sorry, getting the crowd to cheer is perfectly legitimate. | |
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12-11-2007, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by justasking Two fencers are standing at opposite ends of the strip. The Director has not restarted the bout.
It is very quiet. One fencer says to the audience" "It's too quiet in here. Can somebody make some noise?" The audience laughs. This is the first time the fencer has spoken during the bout.
The Director immediately cards the fencer for "disruptive behavior on the strip" (a red card in this case, which brings the score to 13-11).
Opinions? | definitely unnecessary and unfriendly. Who was the referee?
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12-11-2007, 02:06 PM
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#6 | | the dark one
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Originally Posted by epeemike81 definitely unnecessary and unfriendly. Who was the referee? | Obviously not you! I know for a fact that you have a sense of humor.
Meanwhile, I'd better keep my off-hand comments to myself...
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12-11-2007, 02:13 PM
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#7 | | Scrub
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| A group 3 definitely seems harsh; I'd probably tell them not to speak to the audience, and then if they did it again, I'd be thinking about a yellow... | |
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12-11-2007, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by epeemike81 definitely unnecessary and unfriendly. Who was the referee?
-m | The referee is from the MidAtlantic region and has a '6' rating. This was a Philadelphia district sanctioned event. | |
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12-11-2007, 02:20 PM
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| It is funny that we are making foil and sabre fencers wear $500 lexan masks to make the sport more "spectator friendly" (not that I agree the masks do such a thing) but then card a fencer for actually engaging the audience. The fencer should have gotten a point AWARDED to him for making the audience laugh. | |
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12-11-2007, 02:22 PM
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#10 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by justasking This is the first time the fencer has spoken during the bout.
| "Spoken". OK. What else had he DONE?
I suspect that there is a backstory. The ref had some reason for it, other than just being a lunatic.
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12-11-2007, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata "Spoken". OK. What else had he DONE?
I suspect that there is a backstory. The ref had some reason for it, other than just being a lunatic. | He had been carded for turning his back earlier in the bout. There were no other actions during the bout to precipitate the ref's decision. | |
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12-11-2007, 02:33 PM
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| So a referee, with no reason to be irked with anyone, with no animus toward anyone, with just snapped and carded one perfectly well-behaved fencer for no good cause whatsoever? Mmmm. Sorry, I'm not buying it... 
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12-11-2007, 02:33 PM
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| I've been known to gee the audience up as a ref, never mind as a fencer. The guy needs some retraining (to be charitable). | |
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12-11-2007, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata So a referee, with no reason to be irked with anyone, with no animus toward anyone, with just snapped and carded one perfectly well-behaved fencer for no good cause whatsoever? Mmmm. Sorry, I'm not buying it... | A hung-over ref who was enjoying the peace and quiet? 
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12-11-2007, 02:41 PM
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| I think some a little sense of humor would have been more appropriate. Smile, and put the fencers on guard.
If it's the event I'm thinking of (hint: very close to a river, in a club whose name reflects where it used to be), it's generally a friendly informal atmosphere - one of the reasons to fence there. Quote:
Originally Posted by Wafath A hung-over ref who was enjoying the peace and quiet? | Well, that's for the Hangover Epee events!
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12-11-2007, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HDG A group 3 definitely seems harsh; I'd probably tell them not to speak to the audience, and then if they did it again, I'd be thinking about a yellow... | no way. the correct call is laugh, and bring them en garde.
What's wrong with a fencer speaking to the audience during a break??
The OP specifically said it wasn't during fencing.
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12-11-2007, 02:45 PM
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| It was a JOKE, for pity's sake! Was it during a halt in the action or during the 1-minute break? | |
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12-11-2007, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata So a referee, with no reason to be irked with anyone, with no animus toward anyone, with just snapped and carded one perfectly well-behaved fencer for no good cause whatsoever? Mmmm. Sorry, I'm not buying it... | Why not? I've seen it many times. some referees have a downright confrontational air. we call them "Bad Referees."
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12-11-2007, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata So a referee, with no reason to be irked with anyone, with no animus toward anyone, with just snapped and carded one perfectly well-behaved fencer for no good cause whatsoever? Mmmm. Sorry, I'm not buying it... | The referee is familiar with all fencers from the District. It is quite likely that he had encountered this fencer previously and, for whatever reason, determined that he needed to be taught a lesson. The question then becomes whether his rationale as a Director should be confined to on-strip behavior for that particular bout, or that previous encounters should color his decision-making? | |
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12-11-2007, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lefty_monster It was a JOKE, for pity's sake! Was it during a halt in the action or during the 1-minute break? | A halt in the action. | |
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