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12-06-2007, 05:11 PM
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| 'Poopsie'... The Dung Beetle. Apparently I like to raise a stink. Actually I'm supposed to be a Jackal... but that doesn't make much sense either.
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12-06-2007, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Got_Fenced_In  That's true, I guess.
You always seem to be very logical. I like this about you. Are you always that way, or only on here? | Oh, I tend to be horrendously logical, even infuriatingly so. Guess that's why I'm in my profession, my knack for being able to separate emotion from thought.
I would like to say, however...why can't people take the abstract concepts of the works (Narnia and/or Golden Compass) instead of putting religion into it, and stress those? I can't imagine anybody would disagree with the base concept of how C.S. Lewis thinks people should be, if you take out the fact that he did it for religious reasons. Same for the author of The Golden Compass, whoever that may be. If you de-emphasize the religious aspect, it tends to be more of a story about good morals. Wouldn't you want your children to have that?
wheeeeee....
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12-06-2007, 05:22 PM
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12-06-2007, 05:23 PM
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| It's like the racus people rose about "the Divinci code" It's fiction people not fact.  Or is it? I'm so confused 
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12-06-2007, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen Now I now, you got the Inq! | No! Worse than that!
Oh, the horror!
I don't know if I should do this, but if I must, I must.
I answered the questions...
They revealed my daemon.....
My daemon is........
A Gibbon!
So, now you know...  My daemon is: ----->
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12-06-2007, 05:46 PM
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12-06-2007, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shi no Tenshi I would like to say, however...why can't people take the abstract concepts of the works (Narnia and/or Golden Compass) instead of putting religion into it, and stress those? I can't imagine anybody would disagree with the base concept of how C.S. Lewis thinks people should be, if you take out the fact that he did it for religious reasons. Same for the author of The Golden Compass, whoever that may be. If you de-emphasize the religious aspect, it tends to be more of a story about good morals. Wouldn't you want your children to have that? | Yes. I'm currently reading The Golden Compass and as much as it differs from the Narnia Chronicles (with respect to the treatment of religious material) it deals with a central theme that is found in the work of C.S. Lewis, J.K. Rowling, Roald Dahl and just about every other successful author of youth-oriented books. I'm thinking here of the empowerment of the child. The message is essentially the same and it has, I think, a universal appeal for kids. The 'problems' raised by these books almost always seem to be 'discovered' by adults... not children. I suspect that the majority of children who see the movie or read the book (including my own daughter) will connect with this positive theme.
... that and the visual spectacle of it all.
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12-06-2007, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by parrythis No! Worse than that!
Oh, the horror!
I don't know if I should do this, but if I must, I must.
I answered the questions...
They revealed my daemon.....
My daemon is........
A Gibbon!
So, now you know... My daemon is: -----> |
You have my condolences. 
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12-06-2007, 06:03 PM
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| The Golden Compass was barely religius at all. Now the other two books were very anti-god, but still interesting. I read them, stayed christian, and took the better parts into my view and being, as everyone should do with everything.
his dark materials really was a very intresting story, worth reading, even christains.
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12-07-2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen Now I now, you got the Inq!  | No, I think that the daemons have to be soft and cuddly.
Parrythis' being an epeeist, who maybe even posts - and god knows he posts enough here - I was going to go with the powder post beetle! (Damned things destroyed the porch of my father's hunting cabin - and that was in New York! - Hmmmm...)
All things considered, though, I'd prefer to be an Inq than a gibbon. That sucks.
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12-07-2007, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Shi no Tenshi I would like to say, however...why can't people take the abstract concepts of the works (Narnia and/or Golden Compass) instead of putting religion into it, and stress those? I can't imagine anybody would disagree with the base concept of how C.S. Lewis thinks people should be, if you take out the fact that he did it for religious reasons. Same for the author of The Golden Compass, whoever that may be. If you de-emphasize the religious aspect, it tends to be more of a story about good morals. Wouldn't you want your children to have that?
| People tend to focus on the relgious aspects because of the attention the authors themselves call to them - Pullman especially comes to mind but C.S. Lewis was not shy about his belief system. However, the universal appeal of these books stems from exactly what you say - the basic ideals of being good, honest, loyal and true.
This is what makes for exceptional children's literature and the most successful authors draw from hosts of sources to bring these points forward - J.K. Rowling, Frank Baum, C.S. Lewis, Philip Pullman to name a few - all use religon, mythology, fairy tales to tell truly compelling stories about doing what is right over doing what is easy. | 
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12-07-2007, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Timo The Golden Compass was barely religius at all. Now the other two books were very anti-god, but still interesting. I read them, stayed christian, and took the better parts into my view and being, as everyone should do with everything.
his dark materials really was a very intresting story, worth reading, even christains. | You have an open mind and that is excellent! I agree with your closing statement. I've been thinking about your first two comments which I tend not to agree with. After thinking about this I ended with a response that was far too long to post here, so I've placed it in my blog. 
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12-10-2007, 06:19 AM
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| I thought the movie was ok in a badly disjointed kind of way. It's one of those "get the DVD, watch the excised scenes and wonder why they cut the good bits out" type of films. It also suffered from a terrible ending.
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12-10-2007, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gav I thought the movie was ok in a badly disjointed kind of way. It's one of those "get the DVD, watch the excised scenes and wonder why they cut the good bits out" type of films. It also suffered from a terrible ending.
Eva Green barely bothers with clothes - and that is a very good thing. |
Agreed. The movie is a solid "average".
But Eva Gren, Sam Elliot, and the bear make it worth seeing a second time.
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12-10-2007, 03:31 PM
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| I did this some time back ( shortly after seeing '300') and found out my daemon is Leonidas - the ocelot. Seems several of us have an ocelot.
I haven't seen the movie yet but want to see how/if they did the bear Iorek's fencing. ( that was in the book - or did they leav it out?) | |
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12-10-2007, 04:03 PM
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I find it profoundly baffling that some people say in the same breath that _The Golden Compass_ gets a thumbs down from them for attempting to subliminally indoctrinate their children with atheism, while cheerfully admitting that they have on the other hand encouraged their kids to read the Narnia books.
Look, I've read -- and enjoyed -- the Narnia books, but it is as plain as the nose on your face that they are entirely structured around Christian (and specifically Catholic) allegory. Especially _Wardrobe_, my God! (if you'll pardon the pun) The goal of those books (all protestations from the author of The Screwtape Letters aside) is to gently but effectively infuse children with the theology and philosophy of Catholicism by drawing them into an exciting adventure fantasy. Whether you agree with the ethics of that or not is beside the point here, but it's foolish to say that's all hunky-dory and then in the same breath bash on _Compass_ just for doing something similar from the opposite viewpoint. Sheez.
On top of all that, although I confess I haven't yet read _Compass_ or watched the movie, it's my understanding so far that it confines its subtextual criticism to the hierarchical structure of organized religion and in fact doesn't criticize religion or spirituality per se.
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Reason: edited to add: p.s. my daemon is a tiger named Achean: modest, assertive, sociable, shy, and competetive
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12-10-2007, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pacer I haven't seen the movie yet but want to see how/if they did the bear Iorek's fencing. ( that was in the book - or did they leav it out?) | It went the same way as Tom Bombadil.
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12-10-2007, 11:52 PM
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Dang! Sometimes it is less disappointing to read the book after the movie. | |
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12-11-2007, 01:16 AM
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The movie bothered me because it was rushed, poorly scored, and overly simplified. There wasn't very much character development because they felt like they had to just keep squeezing stuff in so it felt like a long string of scenes rather than an epic.
I'm currently rereading the book and loving it as much as i did when I was 14.
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