11-13-2007, 02:41 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Black glove legal?
Ok, maybe this should be in armoury... but since it's a rules question I thought I'd ask here first.
Is there any rule that forbids the use of a solid black glove (coaches glove, for example) during competition? I cannot find any rule in the handbook, but that doesn't mean I'm looking in the right place.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo If you don't want to lose fencing privileges at USFA-sanctioned events, then refrain from throwing flamagels at those events. | | 
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11-13-2007, 03:26 PM
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| For any USFA event you can get away with a black glove, no problem. It is perfectly legal. All black kit, and in most cases coaches jackets, legs and so forth, are not. All black is reserved for coaches and most coaching gear, regardless of color is not actually legal for use during competition. The gloves for the most part are an exception, but be aware some coaching gloves are either very heavily padded, to the point where they can be detrimental to actual fencing, and that some of them do not have the body wire hole and/or velcro cuffs...
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11-13-2007, 04:13 PM
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| It's legal but still seems like poor taste. The kids ive seen wearing them have never been any good, and it seemed like a cocky sort of gesture. Then again this is coming from someone that has worn hello kitty patches on socks, so my hypocrisy knows no bounds. Unless you just want to send them a subliminal messege to attack your wrist.
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11-13-2007, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer  For any USFA event you can get away with a black glove, no problem. It is perfectly legal. All black kit, and in most cases coaches jackets, legs and so forth, are not. All black is reserved for coaches and most coaching gear, regardless of color is not actually legal for use during competition. The gloves for the most part are an exception, but be aware some coaching gloves are either very heavily padded, to the point where they can be detrimental to actual fencing, and that some of them do not have the body wire hole and/or velcro cuffs... | The black gloves Craig bought from me are teh same as my regular gloves, except for the color. | |
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11-13-2007, 04:32 PM
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#5 | | Fencing Expert
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| Wearing a black glove while fencing in competition has usually meant one of two things:
1. The fencer has forgotten/lost/not packed their normal glove, and their coach has loaned them a glove (or they are a coach themselves and are using their coaching glove as a replacement), or,
2. When they take off their mask, they will will be wearing a pirate bandana... | 
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11-13-2007, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen Evans 2. When they take off their mask, they will will be wearing a pirate bandana... | *shudder* | |
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11-13-2007, 04:46 PM
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| Is it legal? yes.
Is it ugly and a really poor choice? yes.
It's kind of like a referee wearing these with his blue blazer and grey dress pants.
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11-13-2007, 04:47 PM
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| More of a curiosity, really. I saw a guy wearing one at Temple and remembered hearing one day that it wasn't allowed. That's all.
(Personally, I have better taste than that)
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Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo If you don't want to lose fencing privileges at USFA-sanctioned events, then refrain from throwing flamagels at those events. | | |
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11-13-2007, 05:30 PM
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| I'd think there's potential, too, of the stark contrast causing the opponent to visually fixate on that particular target. Problematic in epee. Would make for an interesting study, to see if it caused a difference. | |
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11-13-2007, 06:33 PM
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| Some of the Carmimari gloves are nearly all black, with a bit of red.
The rule only says kit may not be all black. I interpret that as the WHOLE kit en masse - individual bits of kit can be black (e.g shoes, or socks). | |
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11-13-2007, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pinkelephant The rule only says kit may not be all black. I interpret that as the WHOLE kit en masse - individual bits of kit can be black (e.g shoes, or socks). | If this is the case then wouldn't it be legal to have everything black except a glove and it still be legal?
Although I seem to remember that there's a rule that the torso can't be black.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo If you don't want to lose fencing privileges at USFA-sanctioned events, then refrain from throwing flamagels at those events. | | |
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11-13-2007, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by epeemike81 Is it legal? yes.
Is it ugly and a really poor choice? yes.
It's kind of like a referee wearing these with his blue blazer and grey dress pants.
-m | Or these. Guilty as charged, Your Honor. Hey, they matched my blazer. | |
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11-13-2007, 07:34 PM
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| What? Chuck Taylors Rock!
I have some converse, but not chucks
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11-13-2007, 08:44 PM
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| I've seen refs in *pink* Chucks.
I've fenced in green ones, but that was a mistake -- nearly slipped and broke my ankle or something. | |
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11-13-2007, 09:16 PM
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| Vniti made (still makes??) an all-black glove. I've seen a few of them on the circuit, and a foilist on my team wears one. I'm not sure if it's marketed as a coaching glove, because it doesn't seem exceptionally well-padded, and it seems cut the same way as a normal glove. | |
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11-13-2007, 09:30 PM
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| I like a glove as black as I am. | |
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11-14-2007, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Fencer The black gloves Craig bought from me are teh same as my regular gloves, except for the color. | The HOM fencing gloves are more an exception than the rule from what I have seen in that they are fully competition legal. I think they are more of a very awesome fencing glove that happens to come in black for coaches that use they as coaching gloves anyway.
They have a better combination of features than any pure coaching glove I have had before. Some of the other coaching gloves are either really long in the cuff, have no body cord slot or are so stiff/padded they interfere with a good feel for the blade. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Allen Evans Wearing a black glove while fencing in competition has usually meant one of two things:
2. When they take off their mask, they will will be wearing a pirate bandanna... | Just for Allen, I may wear my black HOM glove to the next event I fence in and see if I can rustle up a pirate bandanna somewhere...  
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11-14-2007, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer Just for Allen, I may wear my black HOM glove to the next event I fence in and see if I can rustle up a pirate bandanna somewhere... | One of my fencers has a box of eye patches and I'm sure he'd be glad to hook you up with one. (They look especially dashing worn over the mask.  ) | |
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11-14-2007, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by VorpalCat One of my fencers has a box of eye patches and I'm sure he'd be glad to hook you up with one. (They look especially dashing worn over the mask. ) | I still have a few left over from out pirate themed tourney last summer. For that matter I think I still have the pirate hook for my off hand! 
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11-14-2007, 03:15 PM
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#20 | | Scrub
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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer I think I still have the pirate hook for my off hand! | I know you meant "off" as in non-weapon, but it still sounded funny given the hook context. | |
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