President

[Lemonaide]

At this juncture, does anyone have any thoughts about who is going to win? Pat Robinsons' endorsement of the Religious Right for our own Big Apple Pizzano, Mayor Gulliani? That was like, out of the blue. I found it interesting and just such a tip of the hat from the land of cotton to finally acknowledge a New Yorker, was unbelieveable. There are very few Italians in the South, most Southerns are of different stock. I wouldn't say that he always speaks well however, but then, very few of the candidates are always on the ball. We have plenty of time to view the lineup, but I did decide that I don't want Hillary. Sorry feminists, but I don't trust her.

People forgot that it was her husbands administration that ended Section 8 and thus brought about the financial and social disaster we see today, they were unable to bring about their Health initiatives; and it tells me that they had little clout from Legislators. Section 8 was to help minorities and it may have needed a 'tweek', but they actually nearly ditched the whole thing and left thousands of people out on a limb. We should put it back for those people.

[Lemonaide]

It's going to be between Hillary,Giuliani, McCain. I like McCain, but I want Giulianai to win. It's time for a change!

[Miglin]

Originally Posted by Lemonaide

It's going to be between Hillary,Giuliani, McCain. I like McCain, but I want Giulianai to win. It's time for a change!

I hope you're joking. Giuliani is the only man in the contest that could end up a worse president than Bush.

[Inquartata]

To quote Churchill, "Except for all the others".

[Miglin]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

To quote Churchill, "Except for all the others".

Hillary is a criminal and Obama is running on a gimmick, but Giuliani actually poses real security and economic threats to the entire world as president. Have you ever listened to the insane things he wishes to do in office?

[I_luv_saber]

Or what some of the other candidates want to do in office..?

(Or in a Clinton's case, what has been done in office.... : )

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Miglin

I hope you're joking. Giuliani is the only man in the contest that could end up a worse president than Bush.

he would make a great president of 9/11

[jeff]

artists using elephant by-products would have to leave the country...

[Miglin]

Originally Posted by I_luv_saber

Or what some of the other candidates want to do in office..?

(Or in a Clinton's case, what has been done in office.... : )

Clinton's problem is beeing a bought-out pushover who just keeps voting "yes" to military spending bills.

Giuliani doesn't think we're doing enough!!!

[Lemonaide]

I agree with you about Clinton, when you watch him talk, isn't the first thing that comes to your mind: "which one is running?" He or his wife? I have to ask myself, why is he making so many speeches.....

And.... as far as "artists using elephant by-products would have to leave the country..." well, I wish I could relocate to someplace out of the country for about 5 years to get a new perspective, but so far, my paintbrushes are not made out of Ivory or anything like that. So I guess I'm safe so far!

"Giuliani doesn't think we're doing enough!!!" - I see it as well, he's a bit hyper, maybe it's time for him to focus on other issues besides the war thing.

I don't know, sometimes I wish I were the Ruler of the world.

[Miglin]

Originally Posted by Lemonaide

I agree with you about Clinton, when you watch him talk, isn't the first thing that comes to your mind: "which one is running?" He or his wife? I have to ask myself, why is he making so many speeches.....

And.... as far as "artists using elephant by-products would have to leave the country..." well, I wish I could relocate to someplace out of the country for about 5 years to get a new perspective, but so far, my paintbrushes are not made out of Ivory or anything like that. So I guess I'm safe so far!

"Giuliani doesn't think we're doing enough!!!" - I see it as well, he's a bit hyper, maybe it's time for him to focus on other issues besides the war thing.

I don't know, sometimes I wish I were the Ruler of the world.

1. I was talking about Hillary.
2. It bewilders me how representative of the average voter (are you even one?) you are.

[Lemonaide]

As Hillary would say to every question: "Absolutely"!

ps I'm sorry I can't relate to her anymore, well, just a little bit. After losing my best pair of hiking shoes, and giving away my wardrobe in anticipation of getting new stuff, [still anticipating] I'm not sure how I stand on this campaign.

Watching the Democratic Debate tonight, I was aware of the popularity of both Hillary and Barack, but some of the other candidates stood up to the test very well. I liked Nevada - he is very knowledgeable, speaks quickly while moving his hands and doesn't lose track. Very impressive was a shorter fellow standing next to him on the podium, and he struck me as being very intellegent, yet, sort of a cold fish. Some of the other candidates spoke well, but I don't like the fellow with the dyed light brown hair.

[epee rocks]

Originally Posted by Miglin

I hope you're joking. Giuliani is the only man in the contest that could end up a worse president than Bush.

At least he has a stand on politics. Hilary dosen't even give answers, and when she does its completely dependant on the poles. Seriously, if she wins this nation will be destroyed both internally and externally.

[Have At You]

I don't know about that. She is completely unprincipled, except for the principle of protecting herself. She has no ideas, except for the idea that she should be president. She has no policy, except for the policy of doing whatever the polls say she should be doing. She's also at least of average intelligence, and probably better than average.

So as president, she wouldn't be a leader. On the other hand, neither would she be likely to (1) act contrary to the wishes of the general population, whatever they may be, nor (2) take actions that would jeopardize the security of the nation and its long-term foreign policy.

A corollary of (1) is that any nods to the fringe left that she may be making now would vanish in a puff of smoke the second she's sworn in. She'd be a lot more moderate in action than she may be inside her own head.

A corollary of (2) is that she might actually do the right thing, and no worse than any other candidate, in foreign affairs. She certainly wouldn't pull out of Iraq prematurely so as to destablize the region, but would probably put in some resources to continue the stabilizing trend. She might put pressure on Iran to start complying with UN directives on its nuclear enrichment. She might at the same time continue the rebuilding of our relationships with our european allies that we're seeing these days.

Would I vote for her? Probably not. Would I be upset if she won? Probably not.

[Slim]

Originally Posted by Lemonaide

As Hillary would say to every question: "Absolutely"!

ps I'm sorry I can't relate to her anymore, well, just a little bit. After losing my best pair of hiking shoes, and giving away my wardrobe in anticipation of getting new stuff, [still anticipating] I'm not sure how I stand on this campaign.

Watching the Democratic Debate tonight, I was aware of the popularity of both Hillary and Barack, but some of the other candidates stood up to the test very well. I liked Nevada - he is very knowledgeable, speaks quickly while moving his hands and doesn't lose track. Very impressive was a shorter fellow standing next to him on the podium, and he struck me as being very intellegent, yet, sort of a cold fish. Some of the other candidates spoke well, but I don't like the fellow with the dyed light brown hair.

I thought you went away?

[Lemonaide]

The Truth Shall Set you Free. I was on vacation, and others submitted rationals for rethinking a bit. But I don't plan to continueously write and write...and....write.... and..... write and write..... wait....a....minute....is this a steven king thing?

[Miglin]

Originally Posted by Have At You

I don't know about that. She is completely unprincipled, except for the principle of protecting herself. She has no ideas, except for the idea that she should be president. She has no policy, except for the policy of doing whatever the polls say she should be doing. She's also at least of average intelligence, and probably better than average.

So as president, she wouldn't be a leader. On the other hand, neither would she be likely to (1) act contrary to the wishes of the general population, whatever they may be, nor (2) take actions that would jeopardize the security of the nation and its long-term foreign policy.

A corollary of (1) is that any nods to the fringe left that she may be making now would vanish in a puff of smoke the second she's sworn in. She'd be a lot more moderate in action than she may be inside her own head.

A corollary of (2) is that she might actually do the right thing, and no worse than any other candidate, in foreign affairs. She certainly wouldn't pull out of Iraq prematurely so as to destablize the region, but would probably put in some resources to continue the stabilizing trend. She might put pressure on Iran to start complying with UN directives on its nuclear enrichment. She might at the same time continue the rebuilding of our relationships with our european allies that we're seeing these days.

Would I vote for her? Probably not. Would I be upset if she won? Probably not.

Hillary Clinton is an enemy of the people, as well as most of the major candidates. They are all owned by the corporations (GE, Halliburton, Westinghouse, etc...). If people REALLY knew who they were voting for, this election would be Ron Paul vs. Dennis Kucinich instead of Giuliani/Romney vs. Clinton/Obama.

[Have At You]

Originally Posted by Miglin

Hillary Clinton is an enemy of the people, as well as most of the major candidates. They are all owned by the corporations (GE, Halliburton, Westinghouse, etc...). If people REALLY knew who they were voting for, this election would be Ron Paul vs. Dennis Kucinich instead of Giuliani/Romney vs. Clinton/Obama.

I'm guessing you're a recently-politically-aware student, so I take your posts with a sizeable chunk of knowing tolerance. Here's hoping time and experience make you a little more rational. (I've seen it work for many other posters here in recent years, so it's doable!)

[Inquartata]

Fortunately our system of checks and balances protects us somewhat from a truly disastrous Presidency. Anyway, I suspect that a Hillary Presidency would be more of a power-behind-the-throne third Bill Presidency than aught else. I mean, if he could talk her out of adversely reacting to the whole Lewinsky business, how much resistance can she really have to his powers of persuasion and suggestion?

In any case, I don't think she's likely to win, even if she gets the nomination. Too many deficiencies, too much history, added to what I think is still an essential unreadiness of the American electorate to send a woman to the White House...

If she DID win, though, I don't foresee disaster. Just more creeping socialism.