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Purple Fencer · 07-19-2002, 04:21 PM

Here's the skinny.

There's a relatively new fencer at SwordPlay who, in addition to her foil lessons, is starting to take an interest in sabre. I was asked to show her what I know, and did so yesterday. She seems to like sabre, and may even want to compete in it eventually.

Here's the problem...we have no sabre coach a SwordPlay. The only qualified coach who knows the weapon is Derek Cotton, but I don't know if he has room in his schedule to fit her in. He's also out of town right now, so I couldn;t ask him anyway. The fencer looks like she wants me to coach her, which is fine...but I have no expreience as a coach; it's very different from just fencing. Additionally, as I haven't taken lessons myself, I;m not in a position to learn from my own coach and stay one step ahead of my "student". This may change this season, as I plan to finally start taking foil lessons, but those are different form sabre.

Any tips from the saber folk out that I can use so I don't totally screw this poor kid up?

mfp · 07-19-2002, 04:49 PM

What does your question have to do with Armory?

counter riposte · 07-19-2002, 04:53 PM

I've had Derek as a coach, and believe me, he is good. If Derek can fit her anywhere in his schedule, it would definitely benefit her as a future saberer...

Unfortunately, the best thing I can recommend for now, if she does want to continue to fence with an instructor is to fence foil until a spot opens in saber. The right of way rules and footwork are essentially the same as that of sabre, and if she gets down derobement in foil, she can be particularly deadly to the "pure saberer" who will beat the line like Pavlov's dog will salivate. (I confess to that incidentally, that line is like candy to me.)

If she insists to join the dark side

and fence saber totally, start with basics. Footwork, footwork, footwork

, 3,4,5 perries and ripostes until a spot opens. If all else fails, just play with her and give advice as you would any other fencer. (This incidentally was how I began my shift to the dark side. Some guy at the club showed me a sabre, and I thought is was SOOOO much funner than foil, I actually practiced head cuts and chest cuts against our fencing dummy "Buzz" while the foil class was going on.)

Purple Fencer · 07-19-2002, 06:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mfp:
What does your question have to do with Armory?<hr /></blockquote>I'm a dork...I thought I'd moved to the general section before I put this up.

Inquartata · 07-19-2002, 07:30 PM

I'm like you, Sam. Though I fence sabre primarily, I feel all at sea trying to teach it. I talk too much, the student's eyes glaze over, I can't think of what in particular to show 'em...it's not good, since like you the coaches at my salle are all of the foil-epee ilk, and if we are to have sabre fencers someone has to teach novices...

Anyway, I recommend getting Maestro Selberg's sabre lesson tapes if you can still find them, or if anyone else has made more recent ones. They'll at least provide you with things to show them and a rough progression of technique. Whenever I am dragooned into giving a lesson I pretty much copy what Selber does on his tapes ( updating for changes in modern style, of course---his seems quaint after all this time, the outlawing of the fleche, etc...they are pre-electric ).

counter riposte · 07-23-2002, 03:14 PM

Why don't you ask Derek?

Purple Fencer · 07-23-2002, 08:58 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by counter riposte:
Why don't you ask Derek?<hr /></blockquote>'Cause he's not always here, and the LAST thing I need from Derek is him laughing at me trying to teach someone!

As it turns out, I had another session with this fencer tonight, and it went a lot better...spent it working on her lateral parries and riposts to the head. She learned a few things...like remembering to turn the guard to protect her knuckles...I'm sure the bruises will heal!

arcon · 07-23-2002, 11:24 PM

Dont do Sabre or coach it. That will all change later this fall but until then cant
really help. I managed to watch many of the sabre Gold medal bouts......it was
awesome to say the least. It did spark my interest in the weapon.
My advice......dont teach a weapon if youre not confident in your abilitys in that
weapon.

the Arcon

latenight · 07-24-2002, 05:01 AM

Yeah, Obi-Wan thought he was ready to teach sabre, and look what happened to poor little Anakin!

;-)

Purple Fencer · 07-24-2002, 08:47 AM

I can fence with it....my prob's my confidence as a teacher. It's getting better.

oiuyt · 07-24-2002, 09:40 AM

Sam, if you're starting to move into coaching and feel less than fully confident in your abilities try checking out next year's Coaches College. Granted it won't help you at this point for this season, but I think it's very worthwhile in the long run. Even if you don't expect to be doing much coaching it can't hurt.

-B

(typing from the OTC where he's between sessions for CC)