They're designed in Beaverton, Nike gave them to China to test, Zuganis also has a set, I think a few fencers in OR have them. Are they coming out anytime soon, no. Will they ever? Maybe.
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Reason: I can't remember OR geography
They're designed it Portland, Nike gave them to China to test, Zuganis also has a set, I think a few fencers in OR have them. Are they coming out anytime soon, no. Will they ever? Maybe.
Why would they pick the Chinese to test them?
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Its a much debated subject...some study in the 60's showed they barely help, but some people wear them anyway. I do. Maybe its entirely psychological, but I seem to kill my ankles less.
Nike has an extensive sport research capability both in the US at their world campus as well as in the university research efforts that they fund to help develop certain types of shoes. They would most certainly apply their understanding of science and spend time researching the sport and wear testing product to find solutions that are not just cosmetic.
If they come out with a high top, most likely there is some logic behind it (as well as sufficient testing to back up a marketing effort). In turn, they most likely know that a "high top" is not best for the biomechanics of every fencer, so would (if they were serious about the market, which remains to be seen) come out with several options.
Having said that, the marketing department can ignore the science behind a shoe and encourage changes in a product that can compromise their value as a competitive shoe.
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Wrestling shoes are so notoriously bad for fencing that I doubt you'll find many people that have tried a specific model.
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There really isn't as much difference as you think.
Remember I've tried getting someone to make a shoe based on my design.
A wrestling shoe is essentially a shoe with no MIDsole. No adiprene or EVA type substance for cushion.
Adding a 1/2inch of CMEva between the last and the outsole(the rubber grippy surface that touches the floor) would make a FINE fencing shoe.. The key is to make the heel the same height as the ball of the foot. Having a shoe that's jacked up in the back makes it slightly tougher on the hips and back. It tilts the pelvis forward and down. Flat shoes don't have this problem. Your lower back feels 'decompressed' and open which is very nice.
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PS: the key to a good fencing shoe is to stabilize the heel so that only the part of the foot that NEEDs to flex is able too. The rest needs to be stabilized with a hard, ultralight plastic.
Shoes that are over flexible can be bad on the knees.
i saw a pair of the nike fencing boots on ebay one day a while ago.
they looked pretty bad.
kind of like the awesome puma ones, except they were really trying to be a sports shoe, too. so, they were some lame hybridization.
Remember I've tried getting someone to make a shoe based on my design.
A wrestling shoe is essentially a shoe with no MIDsole. No adiprene or EVA type substance for cushion.
Adding a 1/2inch of CMEva between the last and the outsole(the rubber grippy surface that touches the floor) would make a FINE fencing shoe.. The key is to make the heel the same height as the ball of the foot. Having a shoe that's jacked up in the back makes it slightly tougher on the hips and back. It tilts the pelvis forward and down. Flat shoes don't have this problem. Your lower back feels 'decompressed' and open which is very nice.
FF
PS: the key to a good fencing shoe is to stabilize the heel so that only the part of the foot that NEEDs to flex is able too. The rest needs to be stabilized with a hard, ultralight plastic.
Shoes that are over flexible can be bad on the knees.
Only problem is that what you've explained is a world of difference, especially for shoes. Also a half inch midsole is a lot of midsole and the design differences are significant. Say no to actual wrestling shoes unless you're wrestling or doing something else on a mat. The damn things aren't even good for walking across the gym to your bag.
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Only problem is that what you've explained is a world of difference, especially for shoes. Also a half inch midsole is a lot of midsole and the design differences are significant. Say no to actual wrestling shoes unless you're wrestling or doing something else on a mat. The damn things aren't even good for walking across the gym to your bag.
In terms of comfort, feel, etc. I'm more than inclined to agree with you.
BUT in terms of structure I'd have to disagree.
I'm currently wearing a pair of Adidas where the CMEVA actually is removable from INSIDE ther shoe. Yes, that's right, from inside the shoe. Rather than the CMEVA beign glued onto the last, the upper is made deeper, the rubber attached to the last like a fencing shoe. But now the upper is so deep it allows the cmeva to be removed like an insole.
FYI FF: The last is the form (based on a model of the foot) that the shoe is constructed around. It is what gives a shoe a certain shape. The upper is the part of the shoe that you are calling the last.
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FYI FF: The last is the form (based on a model of the foot) that the shoe is constructed around. It is what gives a shoe a certain shape. The upper is the part of the shoe that you are calling the last.
No no, the last is what the CMEVA is glued onto.. its the bottom surface that the upper is sewed onto. The upper is the cloth part of the she with all the designs on it.
No no, the last is what the CMEVA is glued onto.. its the bottom surface that the upper is sewed onto. The upper is the cloth part of the she with all the designs on it.
FF
<sarcasm> Gosh, I guess you know way more than I do about shoes and how they are made...silly me...</sarcasm>
Do some research...a simple google search "definition shoe last" might be interesting...
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