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Old 10-19-2007, 02:51 AM   #1
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Fatfencer discovers new Chinese 1600N mask!!

On ebay... scary!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fencing-Well-Pad...QQcmdZViewItem

Anyone know anything about this mask?

As I said above, scary!!

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Old 10-19-2007, 07:40 AM   #2
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"Juing" doesn't appear on the FIE's list of approved masks (click here to read it for yourself). This doesn't necessarily mean that it might not be a re-branded mask from an approved manufacturer such as Wu Xi, but it certainly seems like grounds for caution (IIRC there was recently a similar thread regarding a mystery jacket listed on e-bay).
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"Juing" doesn't appear on the FIE's list of approved masks (click here to read it for yourself).
I read the name as 'Jiang' -- but it still isn't on the list. *shrug*

What I find most scary about the ad is, that if you have any questions about the product you are asked to contact Greattoysonline / GToy's Marketing.

WTF, great toys? I thought we were dealing with safety equipment here.
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:11 AM   #4
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Interesting... there was a discussion about Jiang on the UK forum just the other week.
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As I recall, the issue with that jacket was the seller did not clearly display the FIE label so it was impossible to tell who the manufacturer was.

I think the name on the label here is actually Jiang, which is a familiar fencing manufacturer.

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- In addition to the above mentioned logos all Transparent Visors Masks must
have the CE/EC logo, mention the EN 13567 and must have passed the EC and SEMI tests.
This is the part that looks curious to me. Visor masks are required to have the EN 13567 label, this one does, yet it is clearly not a visor mask. Did they just copy everything from the spec sheet, neeeded or not? If they did, was it because they're trying ot look legitimate or because the FIE was too vague?

The fuzziness of the 2nd picture prevents you from reading the name inside the FIE shield, which is the "official" one.
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On ebay... scary!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fencing-Well-Pad...QQcmdZViewItem

Anyone know anything about this mask?

As I said above, scary!!

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FF - Don't get your hopes up yet - their QC needs some improvement.

I received a sample of this mask and it is FIE and approved (Wuxi). The mesh is inconsistent and when we looked at it had several gaps that would let the punch test probe straight through.

I'd post some pictures, but we had a mishap when photographing some of our inventory. Let's just say that Sony digital cameras may bounce, but they don't recover well to the 1m drop...(So now I've got to figure out what type of camera to get - for products only or something that will handle the occassional fencing tournament photo.)

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FF - Don't get your hopes up yet - their QC needs some improvement.

I received a sample of this mask and it is FIE and approved (Wuxi). The mesh is inconsistent and when we looked at it had several gaps that would let the punch test probe straight through.

I'd post some pictures, but we had a mishap when photographing some of our inventory. Let's just say that Sony digital cameras may bounce, but they don't recover well to the 1m drop...(So now I've got to figure out what type of camera to get - for products only or something that will handle the occassional fencing tournament photo.)

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Also, remember ALWAYS try the 12...no...NEVER try the 12k punch test on your camera's lens.
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I sent this to Dan DeChaine to look into....really shady, if you ask me.

I also emailed the seller and told him to either stop lying about the gear being FIE or provide documentation like the test results.

Lotsa luck, huh?
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I received a sample of this mask and it is FIE and approved (Wuxi).
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This is the part that looks curious to me. Visor masks are required to have the EN 13567 label, this one does, yet it is clearly not a visor mask. Did they just copy everything from the spec sheet, neeeded or not? If they did, was it because they're trying ot look legitimate or because the FIE was too vague?
The photo is clearly not of a visor mask, but the description states that it has a visor. More reason for mistrust... That and they explicitly state that they will lie on the customs forms to avoid import duties to the US.
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Isn't this the same outfit with the jacket a while back?
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Isn't this the same outfit with the jacket a while back?
The same vendor, at least.

Dan has been advised and will bring it up at the FIE meeting in Madrid next month.
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I sent this to Dan DeChaine to look into....really shady, if you ask me.
Since when does SEMI oversee the marketing practices of retailers?

I recognize that mask by the red/blue label as one by Wuxi. Now, the seller doesn't know much about fencing or english language writing maybe and that's why they call it a "visor", but I don't think SEMI can really do anything about that.

The best avenue for complaining about those types of descriptions is to eBay (or other 3rd party site) and here (for general education since lots of people at least do a drive-by of the forums to see if a particular product/vendor is mentioned.)

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Since when does SEMI oversee the marketing practices of retailers?

I recognize that mask by the red/blue label as one by Wuxi. Now, the seller doesn't know much about fencing or english language writing maybe and that's why they call it a "visor", but I don't think SEMI can really do anything about that.
No....but if someone's putting out fake FIE gear, they need to know about it. he was very appreciative.

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Craig has already said this is the approved Wuxi mask. We can't see the FIE shield well enough in the fuzzy picture to disprove it.
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Craig has already said this is the approved Wuxi mask. We can't see the FIE shield well enough in the fuzzy picture to disprove it.
Yea...but teh FIE shield on the tongue is clear....and there's no manufacturer name.

The other picture being fuzzy makes me suspect it.

if Craig posts his own pics, fine....but until I see them, I;ll suspect it.
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FIE approved but.....

the mesh is so inconsistent that the 12k punch would pass right thru in some spots.

Jesus. If that's the case I'll MacGyver a mask out of a colander and use my old(but washed) jock for the mask strap and Voila!! 1600 newtons!!!

I loathe chinese equipment. They should stick to what they know best. Dim Sum and Microsoft knockoffs

Chinese equipment is very scary right now. Eventually though it will be good quality. Eventually.


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PS: I'm still buying Prieur or Negrini or Estoc LONG before I buy anything Chinese.
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