10-18-2007, 05:25 PM
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| Undressing on the Strip
Would someone explain the parameters of the rule which prohibits undressing on the strip? And if known, why this rule was found necessary? Yeah, it sounds salacious. But exactly what does it mean?
1. Is this while standing on the strip itself? Or is it "at" the strip?
2. Is removing your jacket to say change a body cord a "no" "no"?
3. Is taking off your glove cause for a card?
Just being curious. It has always given me cause for some ribald thoughts as to why it came about.
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10-18-2007, 05:50 PM
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| Legend has it that there was a fencer who totally disrobed beside the strip after he had lost his DE match.
(points to who can come up with the name of fencer and the event)
Hint: It was not a US event.
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10-18-2007, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig  Legend has it that there was a fencer who totally disrobed beside the strip after he had lost his DE match.
(points to who can come up with the name of fencer and the event)
Hint: It was not a US event.
Craig | Doesnt mean it was not a US fencer.
I'm hoping it was Britta Heidemann
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10-18-2007, 06:05 PM
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| My coach told me the story, apparently, it was at an FIE sponsored event in a mall in Europe. It was women's fencing and, after a bout, the lady unzipped her jacket and was found to be going al natural under the chest protector.
As for the OP's question: If you are at, on, or beside the immediate strip area, you can not undress. Undressing for a cord change is a no-no (generally, you can get off the strip to the bleachers or side area for that). Taking off the glove is fine. | |
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10-18-2007, 06:22 PM
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10-18-2007, 06:40 PM
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| Story I'd heard involved a World Cup in Havana where the fencers were stripping down between bouts, lounging around, coming up to the strip for their bouts, and THEN getting dressed.
I remember a name attached, but don't remember who. MS, IIRC (perhaps one of the Italians? Montano, Tarantino?).
Something tells me that this rule was based on not-uncommon behavior, rather than a single incident.
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10-18-2007, 06:58 PM
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| It was used as a delaying action in a event I believe it was in Cuba
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10-18-2007, 07:54 PM
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| That's odd. If it were being used as a delaying tactic prior the commencement of a bout then why not card for delay of bout? If it were being used say, between rounds during the one minute break then it seems like delay of bout would also cover it. Almost seems silly to penalize someone for unzipping a jacket to cool of between periods as long as it's rezipped and ready to go when the minute is up. If it's just for the purpose of decency and decorum then why penalize for attempting to change a bodycord (yes there are more efficient ways to change one but a lot of people don't seem to know them)? So perhaps it was designed to discourage this sort of behavior from those that have bare skin under their uniforms?
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10-18-2007, 07:59 PM
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| I thought it was to prevent unzipping the jacket to reveal the overlarge logo of a sponsor or manufacturer on a T-shirt - i.e. preventing circumvention of the publicity code. | |
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10-18-2007, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pinkelephant I thought it was to prevent unzipping the jacket to reveal the overlarge logo of a sponsor or manufacturer on a T-shirt - i.e. preventing circumvention of the publicity code. | Oh come on, you can think of a better one than that.
I have a similar recollection to one already given. A European woman getting down to no underwear.
From a common sense standpoint, what should a referee do when a fencer pulls the body cord out without getting a new one through?
Send the fencer to Siberia? Give him a card for delay? Undressing means taking all your clothes off. Taking off a top layer is not undressing.
Sure, you should try to avoid the necessity of taking a layer off. But what do you do if it is necessary?
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10-19-2007, 12:53 AM
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| Unzipping the jacket has frequently been determined to be undressing. | |
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10-19-2007, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Craig Legend has it that there was a fencer who totally disrobed beside the strip after he had lost his DE match.
(points to who can come up with the name of fencer and the event)
Hint: It was not a US event.
Craig | My bet would be Stefano Cerioni at the World Championships in the mid-80s.
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10-19-2007, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Goofy My bet would be Stefano Cerioni at the World Championships in the mid-80s. | I thought that Cerioni just mooned the entire audience?
Either way it's a great story. | |
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10-19-2007, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Unzipping the jacket has frequently been determined to be undressing. | How do you check for an underplastron then? | |
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10-19-2007, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Craig Legend has it that there was a fencer who totally disrobed beside the strip after he had lost his DE match.
(points to who can come up with the name of fencer and the event)
Hint: It was not a US event.
Craig | i heard it was one or more of the french national team at world cups.
and that "undressing" has been over-strictly interpreted here in the US. | |
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10-19-2007, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jjefferies 1. Is this while standing on the strip itself? Or is it "at" the strip?
2. Is removing your jacket to say change a body cord a "no" "no"?
3. Is taking off your glove cause for a card? |
1. on the piste.
2. why would you need to remove your jacket to change a body wire?
3. no. | |
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10-19-2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by downunder How do you check for an underplastron then? | In the waiting area, 10 minutes prior to the bout... :)
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10-19-2007, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt In the waiting area, 10 minutes prior to the bout... 
-B | The only competition I've ever seen with a waiting area was Commonweaths last year and the junior worlds I was at two years ago, and even that was only from the 32.
In Bratislava last weekend we started pretty well as soon as we got the d.e. sheet, and the same will be for London tomorrow and Leszno in a month. | |
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10-19-2007, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by downunder How do you check for an underplastron then? | I can lift up my jacket and show the bottom of mine.
Some directors can tell by feeling the shoulder.
In collegiate fencing, you can usually tell by if they know what one is or not
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10-19-2007, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint I can lift up my jacket and show the bottom of mine.
Some directors can tell by feeling the shoulder.
In collegiate fencing, you can usually tell by if they know what one is or not | I'm looking for the FIE stamp, both UK domestic and internationally | |
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