10-17-2007, 09:56 AM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| New FIE Equipment Rules coming - predictions?
I got an email from Dos Santos today, in it he mentioned forthcoming unspecified FIE rule changes, I assume in time for the Olympics. So any predictions?
EDIT: I meant the title to be "New Forthcoming Rule Changes..." | 
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10-17-2007, 10:07 AM
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#2 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| New undefined rule changes? Will they be as random and crack-brained as the previous material rule changes? | |
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10-17-2007, 10:23 AM
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#3 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| As for the actual predictions part, I predict the following:
1) The use of "non-traditional guards" will no longer be permitted. Only guards made of steel will be allowed, guards made of aluminum or titanium are not permitted. All fencers will be required to report to equipment control with a magnet attached to their guards to prove its ferrous nature.
2) Due to the technical requirements of the StM wireless scoring system, which is the only one which will be permitted at future FIE competitions, the 3 prong connector is now disallowed and a new 5 prong socket incompatible with all other connectors in the world will be required.
3) The bottom of the wrist in sabre must be insulated, such that touches can no longer be scored there when the hand is in the en guard position. This should simplify judging for referees who no longer have to worry about low line attacks. However, if the fencer raises their arm as in a "5" parry the bottom of the wrist should then become conductive, so a retractable cover must be attached which insulates the wrist in the en guard position but uncovers it when raised.
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10-17-2007, 10:34 AM
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| I am not sure whether insultate is a mispelling of insult or insulate?
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10-17-2007, 11:49 AM
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| I am hoping for bib as target in foil. I am also hoping they bring back a more functional version of the capator (spelling) so that saber can be less light saber. In epee, I am hoping that they allow the use of parring daggers and let us fence in the round. Now that would be TV friendly... 
I would guess that the new rules have something to do with clarification of what is and is not an approved point for foil and epee. Maybe also a visor mask requirement for foil/epee.
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10-17-2007, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer  In epee, I am hoping that they allow the use of parring daggers | I'm not sure whether you meant parrying daggers (like a main gauche) or paring knives (like a Henckels).  Quote:
Originally Posted by CvilleFencer I would guess that the new rules have something to do with clarification of what is and is not an approved point for foil and epee. Maybe also a visor mask requirement for foil/epee. | Maybe also specifications for reel-less systems for foil and epee. | |
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10-17-2007, 12:21 PM
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| Spelling Nazi.  Yes, parrying daggers. I think you may be correct as well on the specs for wireless foil and epee. I am interested to see what they come up with, but I am very, very dubious that it will be something I would like...
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10-17-2007, 12:28 PM
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10-17-2007, 12:31 PM
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| The return of sabre on horseback? Not only would that be telegenic - it might attract the attention of the Kentucky Derby crowd. The more audience - the merrier!  | |
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10-17-2007, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sleepyweasle The return of sabre on horseback? Not only would that be telegenic - it might attract the attention of the Kentucky Derby crowd. The more audience - the merrier! | And just think of the fancy bonnets...
Ooh, and more mint juleps at fencing venues [stay out of my cooler]. | |
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10-17-2007, 12:38 PM
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| Jeez!
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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer Spelling Nazi. . | Whoa, Godwin's criteria by the 7th post! | |
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10-17-2007, 12:41 PM
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#12 | | Scrub
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| I think it's epee's turn to have its debounce and lock-out times f@#*ed with... | |
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10-17-2007, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HDG I think it's epee's turn to have its debounce and lock-out times f@#*ed with... | Leave the debounce alone, shorten the lockout time. Make it virtually impossible to have double touches.
No need to stay with the lengthy lockout times that were required when scoring machines were run with relays.
R.R. mentioned something along those lines in one of his public letters a year or two ago.
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*wonders what other crazy rumors we can start here*
*realizes that some of the craziest might actually make sense to those in Lausanne*
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10-17-2007, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HDG I think it's epee's turn to have its debounce and lock-out times f@#*ed with... | Yes! Let' s make all those old two-weapon machines (which are already obsolete for foil) completely obsolete! 
Actually, isn't there a requirement that the rules be locked in at some point prior to the Olympics? I thought it was one year in advance however there may be some wiggle room in there. | |
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10-17-2007, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt *realizes that some of the craziest might actually make sense to those in Lausanne* | That's the frightening part. | |
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10-17-2007, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Leave the debounce alone, shorten the lockout time. Make it virtually impossible to have double touches.
No need to stay with the lengthy lockout times that were required when scoring machines were run with relays.
R.R. mentioned something along those lines in one of his public letters a year or two ago.
-B
*wonders what other crazy rumors we can start here*
*realizes that some of the craziest might actually make sense to those in Lausanne* | Speaking of zero lockout times, I have asked the Eigertek folks to create a chip for me that has zero lockout times for all three weapons. I haven't had time to test it yet, but will try it soon to see what happens. (Basically has a 1ms or shorter lockout time.) I'm wondering what will happen to fencer's tactics given the new timing.
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10-17-2007, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer I am hoping for bib as target in foil. I am also hoping they bring back a more functional version of the capator (spelling) so that saber can be less light saber. In epee, I am hoping that they allow the use of parring daggers and let us fence in the round. Now that would be TV friendly...
I would guess that the new rules have something to do with clarification of what is and is not an approved point for foil and epee. Maybe also a visor mask requirement for foil/epee. | Capteur.
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10-17-2007, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt *wonders what other crazy rumors we can start here*
*realizes that some of the craziest might actually make sense to those in Lausanne* | I heard they are going to require a full body lame for epee, complete with lame booties connected via ankle cords!
The weapon arm will become target in foil, along with the bib and mask!
Foil debounce time will be increased to 20MS and use a 1000gram spring!
The are going to do away with the foil off target lights to make it easier for a wireless system to be used!
Saber lockout times will be lowered to 1MS!
For saber, a new Capteur (thanks for the spelling Fencerbill!) style socket has been invented and will be mandatory to ensure that fencers both hit with the edge and deliver at least a 1500 gram whack!
There will be a separate epee event that will be fenced in the round at all 2008 world cups to determine that formats viability for TV!
The new Capteur sockets will be adapted to foil to ensure that a fencer can't register a touch unless his weapon is in a plane that could reasonably threated target area!
This is kind of fun... Whats really scary is picking out which of those were actually evaluated!
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10-17-2007, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sleepyweasle The return of sabre on horseback? Not only would that be telegenic - it might attract the attention of the Kentucky Derby crowd. The more audience - the merrier! | How much could a visor mask cost for the horse? Even less people will fence sabre. | |
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10-17-2007, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by edew Speaking of zero lockout times, I have asked the Eigertek folks to create a chip for me that has zero lockout times for all three weapons. I haven't had time to test it yet, but will try it soon to see what happens. (Basically has a 1ms or shorter lockout time.) I'm wondering what will happen to fencer's tactics given the new timing. | <shudders>
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