10-20-2007, 10:58 AM
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#61 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe  Yes there was... I was watching the bout as well (it happened in my pool)... the referee was looking at the clock, and in the middle of noahz's fleche, said 'halt'. Before the whole word was out of his mouth, NoahZ's light was on on the box.
The only time I've ever heard the phrase "No touch, passivity." uttered in my entire life.
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10-22-2007, 12:31 PM
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#62 | | Senior Member
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| Saw a WE bout at Ponte de Sor this weekend that finished 2-1 after 10 minutes. No non-combativity was called because they were both within distance and going tippy-tappy on the blades most of the time. This was one that almost certainly would have been called under the old rule, but couldn't be under the current version. | |
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10-22-2007, 12:39 PM
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#63 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Storm | I would have called it MUCH earlier in the first period, but wouldn't have called it in the second. | |
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10-22-2007, 02:20 PM
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#64 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by pinkelephant I would have called it MUCH earlier in the first period, but wouldn't have called it in the second. | I'm not sure I would have called it in either case, but the first was certainly reasonable. The second one... not so much.
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12-14-2007, 11:51 AM
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#65 | | Senior Member
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| Something that had been bothering me about this rule for a while now was that the USFA version of the rulebook did not talk about what to do durring the pool bouts (only talks about DE's). I (re?)found this on the FOC web page and thougth that I'd share... Quote: | 8) Passivity
a. If it is obvious that the fencers are unwilling to engage in actions during
the first and second periods of a direct elimination bout, the referee will
stop the bout and go to the one minute break. If passivity is determined
during the first two minutes of a pool bout, or during the first two minutes
of the third period of the direct elimination bout, the referee will call halt,
and determine priority. The fencers will then fence a one minute period,
without sudden death. The bout will end when one fencer reaches the
maximum score (5 or 15 points) or time expires. If passivity occurs during
the final minute of the bout or period, the referee will do nothing.
| Bold and underline added for emphasis. Now my really big question is: WHY THE HECK is this not actually part of the rule book????? *sigh* 
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12-14-2007, 12:01 PM
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#66 | | Fencing Expert
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| You're quoting an outdated statement.
There IS NO non-combativity in pools. That's why it's not mentioned in the rulebook.
Non-combativity ONLY applies during DE bouts of 10 or 15 touches and during team matches.
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12-14-2007, 12:16 PM
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#67 | | Fencing Expert
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| The first period is definitely non-combativity. | |
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12-14-2007, 12:33 PM
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#68 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by oiuyt You're quoting an outdated statement.
There IS NO non-combativity in pools. That's why it's not mentioned in the rulebook.
Non-combativity ONLY applies during DE bouts of 10 or 15 touches and during team matches.
-B | Errr.. OK, then perhaps the FOC needs to update their web site so clueless people like myself don't get all excited about finding a non-answer to their questions?    Especially when you have a link labeled like this: Rules changes for the 2007-2008 season. that leads to this article: http://www.fencingofficials.org/Rules/changes.pdf
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12-14-2007, 09:58 PM
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#69 | | Fencing Expert
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| Interestingly, there was a bout I fenced in the recent NAC in Richmond, when during the 2nd period, both myself and my opponent fenced for about a minute without scoring any touch, and without any blade contact that I can remember.
No passivity was called (I can tell you that after this minute my opponent was gasping for air), nor should it have been called, IMO.
Nice to see that the ref didn't follow the letter of this stupid rule, but the intent of it.
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12-14-2007, 10:10 PM
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#70 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by erik_blank | See chefencer's post above. It has the link to the real 2007 updates.
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