10-15-2007, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen  It says she spent a whole six months figuring these things out -- how to become a fencing expert -- and then she spent the next two decades (yes, that's what it says) practicing what she learnt.
...why didn't she publish this book like...umm...two decades ago?  |
Why didn't she win an Olympics while she was at it? | 
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10-16-2007, 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Why didn't she win an Olympics while she was at it? | Too easy to check, I'd guess. | |
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10-16-2007, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Why didn't she win an Olympics while she was at it? | You don't understand. She is actually really good, but was fencing sabre, which at the time of her prime was not an Olympic sport.
She did win the Nick Evangelista Invitational in sabre in 1997, the one held at the prestigious Nick Evangelista fencing academy, you know what I mean?
Anyway, I think a trademark infrigement should take place. It's bad enough that someone tries to use your trademark, but when they obviously make people pay for features of this site which is free, that's outrageous.
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10-16-2007, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt "Parry Your Way Into Wads Of Cash"
-B | Is this a new way of taking tempo? So now we have hand tempo, foot tempo and tempo from the wallet. | |
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10-16-2007, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by veeco It's bad enough that someone tries to use your trademark, but when they obviously make people pay for features of this site which is free, that's outrageous. | If any of the names used by the scam artist are trade names (I hope they're registered), failure to defend their ownership can have much more serious consequences than an opportunistic scammer. If you don't defend your own trademark, you can permanently lose the rights to it. Look at "Kleenex", which went from being a brand name to generic for tissue paper.
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10-16-2007, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jeff Look at "Kleenex", which went from being a brand name to generic for tissue paper. |
That's true, but in the case of Kleenex, Xerox, or Aspirin it is more an incurable matter of people just using them in a non-trademarked way. Probably winds up actually being advertising for the "name brand" in those cases.
I have fond memories of a time about 4:30 in the morning at an IBM facility when a system programmer asked the IBM marketing rep if he could "go xerox this". The rep drew himself up and frostily replied "Xerox is not a verb". To which the system programmer tiredly replied, "Oh yeah, I forgot. Sorry. You guys make xerox machines too"
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10-16-2007, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jeff If any of the names used by the scam artist are trade names (I hope they're registered), failure to defend their ownership can have much more serious consequences than an opportunistic scammer. If you don't defend your own trademark, you can permanently lose the rights to it. Look at "Kleenex", which went from being a brand name to generic for tissue paper. | Too true. There's a coffee shop owner downtown where I work who has a lawyer on retainer specifically to warn off any new business that tries to use his shop name. Once you have private ownership in something, you've got to remain vigilant to maintain it. | |
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10-16-2007, 10:38 AM
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| Note that aspirin is different from the other "genericized" examples given here in that it has actually lost legal standing as a trademark (in the US, Europe is a different story).
Kimberly-Clark, for example, still spends money every year defending the Kleenex mark. There's a reason other brands sell "facial tissue."
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10-16-2007, 10:48 AM
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#29 | | Perpetual Ephemerist
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| You're right. I was thinking there was something different about aspirin.
Still, as a matter of usage, have you ever heard anyone say, "Here. Would you like a facial tissue"?
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When the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
-- Rudyard Kipling "The Female of the Species"
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10-16-2007, 10:56 AM
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| Oh, I'm certainly not caliming that Kleenex isn't mis-used by the general public as a generic (or that Kimberly-Clark doesn't LOVE that fact).
A great example is Google. For the past year or two they've had their lawyers periodically send out requests to media companies not to use "google" as a verb. Are they EVER going to sue people over the matter? No. It really helps them when people say "I googled him last night (and you won't BELIEVE what I found out!)."
By "defending" the mark they retain the ability to stop a competitor from starting up another search engine infringing on their name. Say, "Oiuyt Google" (in which case the "cease and desist" letter (stronger than the "requests" they have been issuing) WOULD be followed by a lawsuit is the violation continued).
-B
*notes that "Here, would you like a tissue?" IS fairly common.*
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10-16-2007, 02:38 PM
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| You will learn everything about fencing. Like how to do a foot touch with a sabre, just like the picture in the front page. | |
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10-16-2007, 02:54 PM
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#32 | | Scrub
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| Well, I emailed the author about her bona fides to see what sort of results she or any of her students have achieved with this miracle system. I don't imagine I'll hear back... | |
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10-16-2007, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by delmet You will learn everything about fencing. Like how to do a foot touch with a sabre, just like the picture in the front page. | That's EASY. Take sabre, hit their foot.
The trick part is scoring a touch that way. | |
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10-16-2007, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK That's EASY. Take sabre, hit their foot.
The trick part is scoring a touch that way. | That is where the book comes in. And you guys thought it was all a scam. | |
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10-16-2007, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by veeco She also claims that she gives a directory of fencing clubs and a fencing glossary for free with every purchase of her book. Interestingly, these are features of fencing.net, which also gives them away for free (except F.Net doesn't require you to buy a $19.97 book to get the benefit of them). | Sounds like I need to be selling an ebook! 
I'm curious as to where she got her content. I'm going to test out that money-back guarantee and see what's actually in this book.
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10-16-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig I'm going to test out that money-back guarantee and see what's actually in this book.
Craig | I eagerly await the book review!
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10-16-2007, 08:24 PM
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| I can't wait to buy this book!
The ad says it will help you "choose the right sword." I can't wait to have the right sword. It will be great to have the right sword.
It also says that every question involving fencing will be answered. Every one!!! No more reading fencing.net posts filled with misinformation. Imagine the productivity gains.
Sorry Craig, we hardly knew ye.
Rick
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10-16-2007, 09:27 PM
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| I'd like to ask her how to design and implement a numeric seeding system for tournaments. Nobody seems to have answered it well yet.  | |
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10-16-2007, 09:44 PM
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#39 | | Boom!
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| Man... I wish this book had been out a few years ago. Would've saved me all those wasted hours I spent with a human coach.
I could've just showed up at tournaments and swept aside all who dared stand against me, then melted back into obscurity until the next tourney...
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10-16-2007, 09:52 PM
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| It has a couple of well written sections, but for a few dollars more you can get the Big Book of Fencing or for a lot less you can get the Parent's Guide to Fencing - both of which contain more information.
It read like a prettied-up version of the Usenet FAQ with a couple of sections on basic stretching, etc. put in. Not bad for a general interest document, but not a $20 document either.
Request for refund sent.
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