10-14-2007, 08:36 PM
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Couple of Americans with nice top 8 finishes in Poland this weekend:
1 GUARNERI Paola ITA
2 KOZACZUK Malgorzata POL
3 BENKO Reka HUN
3 TAILLANDIER Charleine FRA
5 AKSAMIT Monica USA
6 GREGORIO Rossella ITA
7 WIND Marion FRA
8 MILLER Alison USA
26 ROBERTS Samantha USA
41 AIUTO Stephanie USA
49 OSIER Lian USA
51 FRANCISZKOWICZ Dominika USA
59 MOORE Holly USA
63 WIECZOREK Martyna USA
87 RUSSO Jessica USA
91 WHEELER Diamond USA
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10-14-2007, 09:22 PM
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| Congrats to Monica for finishing in the top 8! Manhattan Fencing for life!
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10-14-2007, 09:46 PM
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| Just so everyone knows - no more low line attacks in sabre. Reffing was WAY against the Americans from what I heard. (I'm sure you already knew they started enforcing the new FIE rules Cap't) I again admit - this was heresay. I couldn't afford to be there in person.  | |
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10-14-2007, 10:33 PM
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10-15-2007, 12:16 AM
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| And the men:
1 MUROLO Massimiliano ITA
2 DOLNICEANU Tiberiu ROU
3 KUKSA Anton UKR
3 SZILAGYI Aron HUN
5 HIRZMANN Marlon GER
6 PUNDYK Dmytro UKR
7 REGULEWSKI Maciej POL
8 GEMESI Bence HUN
15 ZUCK Avery USA
18 DAVIDSON Raskyrie USA
19 OCHOCKI Aleksander USA
33 SPEAR Jeff USA
40 BAK Daniel USA
40 KOLASA Thomas USA
43 PROCHNIAK Evan USA
44 HOMER Daryl USA
45 CHENEY Bryan USA
54 STALLER Valentin USA
55 WILLIAMS JR. Marty USA
96 BERLINER Dan USA
-B
(and yes, I COULD have started a properly-named thread for this, but where's the fun in that?)
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10-15-2007, 12:40 AM
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| 1/4 of the fencers who lost in the 32 were from the USA in the MS results Brad posted. Is this a great thing (32 gets points, etc) or a not so great thing (16s are a LOT better)? | |
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10-15-2007, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sleepyweasle  Just so everyone knows - no more low line attacks in sabre. Reffing was WAY against the Americans from what I heard. ( | Well, maybe so, maybe no. 
Early on at the just-completed World Championships, I saw a couple of replay officials plainly invoking the "low hand" rule. But by the end, the US saber fencers were being told by team officials that the low hand rule was no longer in vogue at the FIE, and wouldn't be taken into consideration anymore. So, there is some confusion as to what the fencers should do.
That being said, the reffing in Poland could indeed have been "way against" the Americans, anyway, even without the low hand rule. However; the batch of US fencers in this WS event is fairly inexperienced. Some were rookies in overseas competitions.
There's always a learning curve getting a feel for how international refs call compared to the NAC refs, even though some of them are the same folks. It's not always blatant favoritism for non-US fencers being displayed, but sometimes it sure looks/feels like it.
And, as they say, just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean no ref is out to get you! 
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10-15-2007, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK 1/4 of the fencers who lost in the 32 were from the USA in the MS results Brad posted | Unless some new math is involved, 3 US MS fencers do not equal 1/4 of the 16 fencers who went out in the 32.  | |
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10-15-2007, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by fencerX Unless some new math is involved, 3 US MS fencers do not equal 1/4 of the 16 fencers who went out in the 32. :mutant: | And unless some even NEWER math is involved, 2 US MS fencers doesn't equal 1/4 of the 16 fencers who went out in the 32 either... :)
8 of the 32 fencers eliminated in the 64 were American, however. Presumably what KD5MDK meant....
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10-15-2007, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt 8 of the 32 fencers eliminated in the 64 were American, however. Presumably what KD5MDK meant.... | Or that 1/4 of the 12 US MS fencers listed made at least the 32. Or something completely different. Or just wrong :) | |
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10-15-2007, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt And unless some even NEWER math is involved, 2 US MS fencers doesn't equal 1/4 of the 16 fencers who went out in the 32 either... 
8 of the 32 fencers eliminated in the 64 were American, however. Presumably what KD5MDK meant....
-B | It might take several posters to figure out what I mean, but oiuyt got it.
Sorry, yesterday I was actively reffing from 9:30am to 7pm. | |
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