PSA: Use Cites in your Papers People!

[HDG]

Mostly came right from the comps reading list...

[KD5MDK]

Then it probably took them weeks to getting around to read those.


But yeah, that's an amazingly bad set of sources to plaguarize from, since I would hope the reviewers would be familiar with them (or they wouldn't be selected).

[HDG]

Then it probably took them weeks to getting around to read those.


But yeah, that's an amazingly bad set of sources to plaguarize from, since I would hope the reviewers would be familiar with them (or they wouldn't be selected).

A very distasteful episode.

[Have At You]

I constantly labor to help my colleagues understand that any student who is writing that badly needs to be taught how to write well. One concept at a time.

I don't know about that. Once someone has graduated from high school, there is an expectation that they have learned the basics.

When I was getting an advanced degree at a top-10 school, I had to grade papers of others at my same level. I very often wondered how on EARTH some of my fellow students got this far, given the barely literate garbage they threw on the page. I kid you not when I say some of them wrote like fifth graders in a remedial class. And don't think I didn't hold it against them. I didn't care if the information was somewhere in there; if it wasn't presented with some basic understanding of grammar and spelling, it may as well not have been there.

I believed then that these students had simply gotten away with it throughout school, because nobody ever dinged them for bad spelling or grammar unless it was an English test. This was sloppy teaching, to my mind. I don't care if one is an English teacher, a Math teacher or a Science teacher; if your students aren't spelling or writing properly, it is your duty to inform them and to take off points for it.

[keith]

When I was getting an advanced degree at a top-10 school, I had to grade papers of others at my same level.

ah peer assessment. Possibly the greatest invention not honoured by the Nobel committee.

I believed then that these students had simply gotten away with it throughout school, because nobody ever dinged them for bad spelling or grammar unless it was an English test. This was sloppy teaching, to my mind. I don't care if one is an English teacher, a Math teacher or a Science teacher; if your students aren't spelling or writing properly, it is your duty to inform them and to take off points for it.

Hate to say it but institutions of higher learning have fixed costs, so it's bums on seats that count. Even the special olympics have competitive entry.

[Peach]

I believed then that these students had simply gotten away with it throughout school, because nobody ever dinged them for bad spelling or grammar unless it was an English test.

Hate to break it to you, but they do it even when they're dinged for it if you don't hunker down and teach them how not to do it. And anyone who thinks they wrote well by the time they finished high school should go back and read their freshman papers. Oh, well, people have been bemoaning the good old days when students were brilliant and diligent since the dawn of time. I just had a meeting with a member of my department who blames "changing demographics" for the "lowered quality of students." Unfortunately for him, I started at the school when he did and the students were worse then, not better.

[chefencer]

Peach, I know you'll love this! I saw this quote on an electronic billboard in giant letters: "Attend the Diabete's Expo..."

*pats Wilford Brimley on the back and hands him a bowl of oatmeal*

[seak]

I should point out that this rant was directed at a class mostly made up of Juniors and Seniors in college. They *should* know how to properly use footnotes or in text cites by now. And really how to at least write a decent paper. I mean I'm not the worlds greatest writer by any stretch of the imagination and I'm in grad school, but footnotes really! not that hard.

As a side note they get to re-write either this paper or the next one, so we tried to leave lots of comments hoping that they would learn and re-write. Hope that meets with your approval Peach!