10-05-2007, 10:29 PM
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| anonymous jacket?
so i was perusing ebay when i noticed a pretty sweet deal on fencing jackets, but the jackets were nameless... there were numerous pictures of the jacket etc, but there was not a brand annnnnywhere on the jacket. i looked at two, one 350N and one 800N, apparently FIE certified, but there was not a brand in sight. i've been meaning to get a new jacket, and the price of these are pretty damn good too (around 50 for the 350N, less than 100 for the 800N). i can tell from the photos that it's not cotton, but i can always email the seller and ask.
my point is: should i trust the auction? take the risk and buy the jacket? is the brand of the company really that important in terms of quality?
i uploaded pics of the 350N uniform. tell me what you guys think. thanks in advance. | 
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10-05-2007, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by illogick  so i was perusing ebay when i noticed a pretty sweet deal on fencing jackets, but the jackets were nameless... there were numerous pictures of the jacket etc, but there was not a brand annnnnywhere on the jacket. i looked at two, one 350N and one 800N, apparently FIE certified, but there was not a brand in sight. i've been meaning to get a new jacket, and the price of these are pretty damn good too (around 50 for the 350N, less than 100 for the 800N). i can tell from the photos that it's not cotton, but i can always email the seller and ask.
my point is: should i trust the auction? take the risk and buy the jacket? is the brand of the company really that important in terms of quality?
i uploaded pics of the 350N uniform. tell me what you guys think. thanks in advance. | Those LOOK like Epee Co jackets....the seaming looks like it. HOWEVER, teh FIE label MUST have the maker's name....not to say it isn't 800N fabric...but I;d have to see more of it to be sure....what's the URL?
Also...CE certification is NOT the same as FIE (the standards are actually tougher, since CE tens things FIE does not)...but there still needs to be a maker's tab on CE certified gear, | |
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10-05-2007, 10:39 PM
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10-05-2007, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by illogick the price of these are pretty damn good too (around 50 for the 350N, less than 100 for the 800N). | Depending on where you're at, the shipping may raise the total cost a bit... (just thought I'd mention it, in case you hadn't noticed the shipping costs...)
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10-05-2007, 10:48 PM
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There is nothing proving that the jacket is FIE...the FIE label does not show. The material in the closeup LOOKS like the same as in my personal FIE jacket, but that alone proves nothing. | |
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10-05-2007, 10:54 PM
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| i'm in the US, so shipping is only another 16 bucks regular. thanks for the heads up, though.
and thanks purple fencer. i was thinking of getting the 350N jacket, though. i don't quite need an FIE level jacket yet, only up to competition level. that, and if i were to buy an FIE level jacket, i'd want it to be a REAL one, hahaha. do you think the 350N i posted up is a good deal? | |
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10-05-2007, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by illogick i'm in the US, so shipping is only another 16 bucks regular. thanks for the heads up, though.
and thanks purple fencer. i was thinking of getting the 350N jacket, though. i don't quite need an FIE level jacket yet, only up to competition level. that, and if i were to buy an FIE level jacket, i'd want it to be a REAL one, hahaha. do you think the 350N i posted up is a good deal? | Can't tell...don;t know the maker for sure. | |
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10-06-2007, 01:16 AM
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| Looks like the seller is out of the PI. Having been there before, that alone raises my suspicions. Nothing at all to prove that this is actually CE certified other than their say so. And they are selling things out of a toy shop. For the same money (less actually depending on where you are) you can get a stretch 350N jacket from a reputable dealer based in the US that gives great service and happens to run this forum! Check out the f.net house brand jackets. They are great full stretch jackets for the price, are real CE/350n certified and you don't have to worry about funny payments to off shore accounts (even though I am sure Craig has a few hidden away somewhere, in case his plans for world domination or temporarily foiled! Get it, foiled...) so it is a lot safer IMHO. Anyway, check out the link at http://shop.fencing.net/FDN_Stretch_.../fdn-99102.htm
In my experience just about everything on ebay is very much caveat emptor. If something looks at all suspicious, it probably is. These jackets look fishy to me, so I would stay away.
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10-06-2007, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by illogick | See the link that says "Ask the seller a question"? Ask the seller for the brand and to send a photo of any identifying tags. | |
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10-06-2007, 11:33 AM
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| oh awesome, thanks for that CvilleFencer, i'll definitely check that out.
and HDG, i took your advice and shot a question to the seller, we'll see what he says. | |
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10-08-2007, 09:53 AM
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| Yeah, what CvilleFencer said...it just looks too dodgy for my taste. | |
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10-08-2007, 10:35 AM
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| yeah i think i'm gonna do that, the guy just responded to me and all he said was that the 350N is made of polyester and nylon, and that the 800N is kevlar. he didn't even answer my questions about the brand and identifying tags... seems too shifty for me. thanks everyone.
i see the FDN Standard jacket listed in both the beginner and competitive uniform sections of the store, is it 350N approved or isn't it?
EDIT: nevermind, i emailed Craig and he let me know. the FDN is 350N on the torso, if anyone was wondering.
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10-08-2007, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by illogick yeah i think i'm gonna do that, the guy just responded to me and all he said was that the 350N is made of polyester and nylon, and that the 800N is kevlar. he didn't even answer my questions about the brand and identifying tags... seems too shifty for me. thanks everyone.
i see the FDN Standard jacket listed in both the beginner and competitive uniform sections of the store, is it 350N approved or isn't it?
EDIT: nevermind, i emailed Craig and he let me know. the FDN is 350N on the torso, if anyone was wondering. | KEVLAR?? he either doesn;t know or care about the weaknesses in kevlar that are the reason it;s no longer used in fencing gear.
He emailed me as well....claiming that he;d forgotten to show the FIE label, but that he had the test certificate from CRITT, which is a French testing lab and IS one of teh FIE labs....not showing the label or posting the test certificate does not inspire confidence. | |
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10-08-2007, 12:17 PM
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| yeah, i'm not even going to bother with it, it seems too risky for me. | |
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10-08-2007, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by illogick yeah, i'm not even going to bother with it, it seems too risky for me. | Good choice. Buy a trusted brand, and don't skimp out on safety.
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10-08-2007, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by illogick
EDIT: nevermind, i emailed Craig and he let me know. the FDN is 350N on the torso, if anyone was wondering.
| Right now the standard jackets are not CE certified but are 350N in the torso since it's double-layered. We're bringing in a full CE certified 350N uniform now and will have that fully available by the end of the year.
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10-08-2007, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by illogick e bay auctions | These are made by "China Fencing". It's fairly basic stuff, but the 800N jacket is not FIE certified.
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10-08-2007, 01:42 PM
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| "Anonymous" jacket...
Bummer... With the subject of the post, I was hoping to hear about someone appearing on the strip with "anonymous" on the back in place of their name. 
Actually, this is a rather interesting point. Since my club is a University club and 99% of our fencers use club gear, we really can't go about putting names on the backs of the jackets/lames... Makes going to anything but local tournaments dodgy at best... 
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10-09-2007, 05:54 AM
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| hey everyone, he emailed me back about the brand, saying "The brand is Jiang/Wuxi". i've decided i'm definitely not buying it, but just out of curiosity, does anyone have information about that brand? i've never heard of it. | |
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10-09-2007, 09:47 AM
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| Wuxi does have a certified FIE jacket. Don't know how it holds up, however.
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