Bayonet or 2-Prong?

[finnfence]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

You're a vendor's dream!!!!

Yup. I think my worst episode was forgetting to pack a mask or plastron, and then when I went to buy them, falling in love with the pretty rollbag and the nice new uniforms. Sure wish there were a tax deduction for fencing gear.

[Duelist7]

Originally Posted by Tomas N

I have a couple of Uhlmann body cords where this failure to bow out is a real problem. I also have problems with cheaper 2-prong body cords. So if you go with the 2-prong, it's definitely worth the extra $5-10 to get a good cord. Don't get ones where the thin metal strips that bow out are a seperate piece that is loose around the prongs. This is an inferior design. The attached pic may help. Get plugs that look like the ones on the right.

Tomas

The problem I have run into is the pins on the right are the old style Allstar pins and the ones on the left are the newer style pins. The older style pins where great and I loved the cords, the new pins are terrible. I can find cheap chinese cords with the pins on the right but then you have other problems with the cords.

I checked out the LP two prong that someone mentioned and they do not seem to have a retaining clip at all. Did I just miss it or is there no retaining clip on the LP two prond cord?

[SJCFU#2]

Originally Posted by Duelist7

I checked out the LP two prong that someone mentioned and they do not seem to have a retaining clip at all. Did I just miss it or is there no retaining clip on the LP two prond cord?

Leon Paul two-prong plugs generally rely on a plastic clip on the socket that fits over the plug to hold them in place (similar to Prieur, although maybe a slightly better fit).

For a time LP also had a two-prong plug with an integral clip, similar to the German-type plugs, however I didn't see it last time I looked on their website (although maybe I just missed it).

[HDG]

Originally Posted by Duelist7

I checked out the LP two prong that someone mentioned and they do not seem to have a retaining clip at all. Did I just miss it or is there no retaining clip on the LP two prond cord?

Originally Posted by SJCFU#2

For a time LP also had a two-prong plug with an integral clip, similar to the German-type plugs, however I didn't see it last time I looked on their website (although maybe I just missed it).

The German style is right there in the pull-down menu; it's also available right here in the fencing.net store.

[Duelist7]

Originally Posted by HDG

The German style is right there in the pull-down menu; it's also available right here in the fencing.net store.

Thanks for the help. The LP with the retaining device above seems to have to pins I am trying to avoid, at least the large pin seems to be the newer German style and the smaller pin appears to be LP's solid pin. Is this the case or is it just the pisture?

[HDG]

Originally Posted by Duelist7

Thanks for the help. The LP with the retaining device above seems to have to pins I am trying to avoid, at least the large pin seems to be the newer German style and the smaller pin appears to be LP's solid pin. Is this the case or is it just the pisture?

I don't know; try PMing Craig.

[Purple Fencer]

I think it's just the picture....if you blow it up and look at the B pin carefully, it's the old style pin....teh C pin is the new style.

an LP B pin would NOT work with that cord...LPs solid pins -- like mine -- depend on deforming the plastic body of the cord to provide the pressure to keep the pin in contact with the receiving socket.

The Uhlmann-style housing doesn't allow for this type of connection, so if it WS an LP b pin, it'd be very loose in teh socket and would not work properly.

[fencerbill]

As Leon Paul bayonet plugs and sockets age, their components get to where they benefit from disassembly and cleaning. Similar things happen to 2-pin plugs and sockets.

Reports of everything behaving better after a mass change from 2-pin to bayonet (or vice versa) are related to this. You might consider it akin to a placebo effect. All of them are new, no aging yet. Then as time passes they crud up and get erratic.

You would probably get as much benefit from throwing out all the old ones and getting new of the same type, you don't need to change.

[Cookeit]

I read somewhere on the forum that bayonet plugs are big and bulky and can get in the way in foil, especially when doing prime.

But I use 2 prong just because that is what my team uses, and if my stuff breaks I can just use theirs.

[HDG]

Originally Posted by Cookeit

I read somewhere on the forum that bayonet plugs are big and bulky and can get in the way in foil, especially when doing prime.

Nope.

[Purple Fencer]

Would you believe I think I came up with an improvement to teh LP bayo socket that could remove the wearing out issues and be compatible witht eh LP bahyo plugs??? Just need to cut one apart and start working on it..



*sigh* Another idea I lack the money to develop....

[finnfence]

[quote=Purple Fencer;619584]Would you believe I think I came up with an improvement to teh LP bayo socket that could remove the wearing out issues and be compatible witht eh LP bahyo plugs??? Just need to cut one apart and start working on it..QUOTE]

Really? *drools* We have some fencers who are EE students. Maybe if you provide the idea, they can provide the materials and prototypes.

[I_luv_saber]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Would you believe I think I came up with an improvement to teh LP bayo socket that could remove the wearing out issues and be compatible witht eh LP bahyo plugs??? Just need to cut one apart and start working on it..



*sigh* Another idea I lack the money to develop....

It would be the supreme-socket

[I_luv_saber]

Originally Posted by fencerbill

As Leon Paul bayonet plugs and sockets age, their components get to where they benefit from disassembly and cleaning. Similar things happen to 2-pin plugs and sockets.

Reports of everything behaving better after a mass change from 2-pin to bayonet (or vice versa) are related to this. You might consider it akin to a placebo effect. All of them are new, no aging yet. Then as time passes they crud up and get erratic.

You would probably get as much benefit from throwing out all the old ones and getting new of the same type, you don't need to change.

I would argue that bayonets don't wear nearly as fast as 2 pin, even without maintaining them. Of course, I won't really be in a position to judge for at least a few more months

[HDG]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Would you believe I think I came up with an improvement to teh LP bayo socket that could remove the wearing out issues and be compatible witht eh LP bahyo plugs??? Just need to cut one apart and start working on it..
*sigh* Another idea I lack the money to develop....

Count me in for some testing whenever the day arrives.

[Barry Paul]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Would you believe I think I came up with an improvement to teh LP bayo socket that could remove the wearing out issues and be compatible witht eh LP bahyo plugs??? Just need to cut one apart and start working on it..



*sigh* Another idea I lack the money to develop....

You might be too late! Our updated. wear proof, light weight and low profile socket should be available shortly, pictures to follow.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by Barry Paul

You might be too late! Our updated. wear proof, light weight and low profile socket should be available shortly, pictures to follow.

Hey...if you guys come out with a good improvement that's fine!!

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Would you believe I think I came up with an improvement to teh LP bayo socket that could remove the wearing out issues and be compatible witht eh LP bahyo plugs??? Just need to cut one apart and start working on it..

An improvement over the newer socket design?
( http://shop.fencing.net/product_p/lp-f30.htm )

- Craig

[remise]

samster -

You have loosed a genie out of the bottle. These guys will go on forever about this.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by remise

samster -

You have loosed a genie out of the bottle. These guys will go on forever about this.

That's fine....i might get MORE ideas........that I lack the funds to develop...