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For the Future of Fencing fund website Hi everyone. I`m working in For the Future of Fencing world charity fund. Also i`m in charge of "Stars of the fencing" section on the site of the fund - http://fencing-future.com
Now we are searching for ideas about what famous fencers should we write.
So, i have some questions and i`ll be really appreciated if you will answer in some of them.
What do you think about the whole work of you fund? There is plenty of information about programs and there are many thanks from different organizations on that site... Do you think, that such organizations could help fencers around the world?
About what famous fencers should we write an articles on the site? Maybe, you`ve always wanted to know information about some fencing stars, but can`t find any articles about them. Or vice versa you have some interesting information and want to share with others.
I`ll really appreciate if you will answer on than questions and help us to make interesting cognitive resource about fencing. Thanks a lot.
Theodor Cherniy, For the Future of Fencing world charity fund.
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 Originally Posted by fencingfuture  About what famous fencers should we write an articles on the site? Maybe, you`ve always wanted to know information about some fencing stars, but can`t find any articles about them. Or vice versa you have some interesting information and want to share with others. Fencing.net already does a really good job of this for current fencers. Maybe if you want to take a historical perspective.... That's it, I'm done with the discussion forums on F.net. It's had its uses, but the ideologues, ranters, and "experts" have drowned too many of the conversations. I'm changing my password to something random and never logging in again.
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Originally Posted by oso97 Fencing.net already does a really good job of this for current fencers. Maybe if you want to take a historical perspective.... Thanks for your reply.
Yes, that was the main idea - to write some articles about fencing stars of the past. What do you think, about whom should we write next?
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I don't know about who you should interview but I believe that the "Fund" should consider hosting international training camps for elite athletes from around the world. It can be difficult for fencers from the US or Asia to infiltrate the European clubs and become involved in their training camps or their club fencing workouts. These camps could be a variety of age-groups and weapons. It could only be successful to the extent that you could get participation from the major European fencing countries (it wouldn't necessarily have to be their top tier fencers but it could be their second tier fencers). Summer time would be a great time for many athletes (juniors are off from school and seniors may be training for world championships).
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Dear, T.
You can ask directly Gennady Kiryanov, the executive director of fund, everything about international training camps you want to know. You can find the contacts on the fund`s website - http://fencing-future.com/cntnt/eng/...kontakty1.html
He will answer all your questions for sure.
Good luck.
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please understand that i have nothing but the best intentions for the fencing community. i visit this site often and enjoy all the resources it provides for me, as well as the people and there posts.
THIS LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE A SCAM. ----please be careful with your money and do not donate to them unless your 100% sure of where your money is going. i ran this site threw the better business bureau and came up with nothing. many things just strike me as odd on this site, maybe because its new: i really dont know. if someone from the site were able to get ahold of one of these representitives via outside resources (not the e-mails listed on http://fencing-future.com/ )and get back to the forum that'd be good. I believe a few regulars to this site have contacts higher up in the international community and would be able to help prove the validity of this site. i also tried to search for "Vitaliy Logvin" the president of this fund in the americas, and came up with nothing. same with there exec. director Gennady Kiryanov. only site that ever mentions him is this guys site and a few others hes' been spamming for traffic.
PLEASE KNOW: the only thing that leads me to believe that this isnt some scam to take fencers money is that i see no way to actually contact and donate money to this "fund". i've been threw every link and theres no big flashy light that says DONATE HERE! there is however a link that says "International charity fund "For future of fencing"" at the bottum of every page, but it goes to a blank page.
that being said, i am a pessimist if i am anything. i dont post much but visit often and i just have to say: this feels wrong
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Originally Posted by c3l2vantes please understand that i have nothing but the best intentions for the fencing community. i visit this site often and enjoy all the resources it provides for me, as well as the people and there posts.
THIS LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE A SCAM. ----please be careful with your money and do not donate to them unless your 100% sure of where your money is going. i ran this site threw the better business bureau and came up with nothing. many things just strike me as odd on this site, maybe because its new: i really dont know. if someone from the site were able to get ahold of one of these representitives via outside resources (not the e-mails listed on http://fencing-future.com/ )and get back to the forum that'd be good. I believe a few regulars to this site have contacts higher up in the international community and would be able to help prove the validity of this site. i also tried to search for "Vitaliy Logvin" the president of this fund in the americas, and came up with nothing. same with there exec. director Gennady Kiryanov. only site that ever mentions him is this guys site and a few others hes' been spamming for traffic.
PLEASE KNOW: the only thing that leads me to believe that this isnt some scam to take fencers money is that i see no way to actually contact and donate money to this "fund". i've been threw every link and theres no big flashy light that says DONATE HERE! there is however a link that says "International charity fund "For future of fencing"" at the bottum of every page, but it goes to a blank page.
that being said, i am a pessimist if i am anything. i dont post much but visit often and i just have to say: this feels wrong Yeah...I've gotta say, the poor English in the OP (not that the English in the post I'm quoting is any good either) sends the red flags up. The first thing I thought of was that our casting director for the fencing porno flick was back in a new incarnation.
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At the beginning of the month (Oct 2nd) Craig posted an interview Serge did with a couple of the people behind FoF. It's a real organization. Doesn't look like the links from the homepage are currently working to get to articles that have fallen off of the current list, but hopefully that will be fixed or there's an alternate way to get to them.
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Originally Posted by c3l2vantes please understand that i have nothing but the best intentions for the fencing community. i visit this site often and enjoy all the resources it provides for me, as well as the people and there posts.
THIS LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE A SCAM. ----please be careful with your money and do not donate to them unless your 100% sure of where your money is going. i ran this site threw the better business bureau and came up with nothing. many things just strike me as odd on this site, maybe because its new: i really dont know. if someone from the site were able to get ahold of one of these representitives via outside resources (not the e-mails listed on http://fencing-future.com/ )and get back to the forum that'd be good. I believe a few regulars to this site have contacts higher up in the international community and would be able to help prove the validity of this site. i also tried to search for "Vitaliy Logvin" the president of this fund in the americas, and came up with nothing. same with there exec. director Gennady Kiryanov. only site that ever mentions him is this guys site and a few others hes' been spamming for traffic.
PLEASE KNOW: the only thing that leads me to believe that this isnt some scam to take fencers money is that i see no way to actually contact and donate money to this "fund". i've been threw every link and theres no big flashy light that says DONATE HERE! there is however a link that says "International charity fund "For future of fencing"" at the bottum of every page, but it goes to a blank page.
that being said, i am a pessimist if i am anything. i dont post much but visit often and i just have to say: this feels wrong You should ask Pozdniakov if they are for real. They are funding his new fencing center 100K Euros a year. The sites primary language is Russian not English.
"What funds are allocated for the Program implementation?
- Our year budget is UERO 200 thousand. One hundred thousand is allocated by the Fund “For the Future of Fencing” and another hundred thousand we get from other sources, including regional budget."
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Originally Posted by sheck You should ask Pozdniakov if they are for real. They are funding his new fencing center 100K Euros a year. The sites primary language is Russian not English.
"What funds are allocated for the Program implementation?
- Our year budget is UERO 200 thousand. One hundred thousand is allocated by the Fund “For the Future of Fencing” and another hundred thousand we get from other sources, including regional budget." It's good to know it's a real organization. Given that their primary language is Russian, it would make sense for them to solicit translation help when trying to appeal to an English-speaking board for support. It's not that we are English-centric per se, it's simply that scam artists traditionally have poor English skills, which is one of the little clues we use to avoid being victimized.
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Originally Posted by oso97 Fencing.net already does a really good job of this for current fencers. Maybe if you want to take a historical perspective.... God forbid that the fencing community might receive information from multiple sources with alternative perspectives. Seriously, who needs CNN, NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS, et al when we have the singularly correct and infallible FOX network to provide a sufficiently all encompassing world view.
I can certainly appreciate loyalty to a particular website for news and whatnot about the fencing community, but get real if you think that the existence of one such website precludes the existence of another website providing similar information.
What an ignorant boorish perspective.
Can I get an amen? I'm Tripod and you're not.
I wonder why they call me that.
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Originally Posted by Tripod God forbid that the fencing community might receive information from multiple sources with alternative perspectives. Seriously, who needs CNN, NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS, et al when we have the singularly correct and infallible FOX network to provide a sufficiently all encompassing world view.
I can certainly appreciate loyalty to a particular website for news and whatnot about the fencing community, but get real if you think that the existence of one such website precludes the existence of another website providing similar information.
What an ignorant boorish perspective.
Can I get an amen? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or something? Two pieces of anonymous unpleasantness in barely 20 minutes!
What I was meaning (and I believe everyone else seemed to capture) was that instead of duplicating the effort here, I'd like to see something that takes a completely different view and presents me with information I don't get here. I'm happy with the level of coverage and perspective that this website provides. I would also be interested in something that looks at something very different.
Historical pieces would be nice.
So would pieces that look at grassroots development in different parts of the world.
There, now, would you like a bowl of some nice fiber? It will help with that grumpiness.
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That's it, I'm done with the discussion forums on F.net. It's had its uses, but the ideologues, ranters, and "experts" have drowned too many of the conversations. I'm changing my password to something random and never logging in again.
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Originally Posted by oso97 There, now, would you like a bowl of some nice fiber? It will help with that grumpiness. Should I be nervous with your concern for my poop chute, or are you merely afflicted with a general obsession for material of fecal nature? 
Apparently, we disagree regarding the value of alternate news sources when it comes to the development of a comprehensive perspective of an issue. Not a big deal. People with various opinions are important, if for no other reason than to validate the virtue of good living. I'm Tripod and you're not.
I wonder why they call me that.
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Originally Posted by Tripod Should I be nervous with your concern for my poop chute, or are you merely afflicted with a general obsession for material of fecal nature?
Apparently, we disagree regarding the value of alternate news sources when it comes to the development of a comprehensive perspective of an issue. Not a big deal. People with various opinions are important, if for no other reason than to validate the virtue of good living. Well, actually we are talking about a very Limited audience that's easily subject to cannibalization. More choice sometimes means you wind up with less, as the pie isn't big enough to split so many ways. That's obviated to an extent if there is some niche diversity between the products serving that limited audience. You only need so many Mexican restaurants within a given community (or high fiber cereals, for that matter...)
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CheFencer, that's a very good point, but I'm not fully convinced.
Being a free market advocate (not surprising since I'm a salesman by profession), I tend to believe that competition is good for the consumers. It's not good for the businesses who are forced to compete with eachother. I'm not sure that, in this case, we ar talking about competiting business, however.
Fencing.net is an equipment supplier with a message board. Right? Fencing Future is apparently a non-profit organization dedicated to the general advancement of the sport. I'm Tripod and you're not.
I wonder why they call me that.
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Originally Posted by Tripod Fencing.net is an equipment supplier with a message board. Right? I'd say it's more a message board with equipment supplies. 
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They have some interesting interviews. It is nice to hear what is happening in other places. Sure the English translation is poor but that can always be made better.
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David Tyshler is on the board of trustees!?
I haven't heard that name in years, he taught my first coach everything; I used to hear all the time that Tyshler "was a Saint and a gentleman" and that he was easily the world greatest Sabreur.
I think he may be a god, thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Tripod Fencing.net is an equipment supplier with a message board. Right? Fencing Future is apparently a non-profit organization dedicated to the general advancement of the sport. Fencing.net was run for 7 or 8 years as a general news and forum site and we've sold equipment for the last couple of years as I decided to make my hobby/passion my full time gig.
So, yes, Fencing.Net does have a commerce component but that does not drive the editorial decisions.
Craig
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