2007 World Championships - "Official" Thread

[oiuyt]

Hmm, is that women's epeeist with the long name Turkish by chance?

Without looking it up I'd guess Greek, myself....

-B

[veeco]

no, she's Greek.

[epeemike81]

For Men's epee, I will bet anyone that TIKHOMIROV will make it to the top 32.

Really?? cause I'd bet anyone that TIKHOMIROV will be eliminated in the 64.

-m

[Mo]

Here at the World Championships the sport World has gone nuts. Everything is now focused on the Olympics.

The coaches are trying to see what the other coaches are doing.
They are worried. They are changing the way the kids have always worked out, especially the Saber girl's coaches.

You want a reason they didn't do as well?? All along in all the time they have been fencing, they have been training a certain way, preparing for meets in a certain way, having a schedule that works for them. That is all gone now. They HAVE to do it the NEW IMPROVED way and it is just not working.

There used to be an ownership of the way things worked. The fencers had some choices in how they worked out, how many lessons a week, how much practice etc. Creativity cannot be forced, it has to be nurtured.

Those choices are gone. If the teams are going to do as well, they need to train the way they know how to train, the interference has to stop. Trust the fencers.
The Momster

[Gav]

If anyone hears of digital copies then let me know. I don't care where the footage comes from (it can be in a foreign language) but I am unhappy I am not getting to see any.

Interestingly it's been covered on UK Eurosport this time around.

[Gav]

Here at the World Championships the sport World has gone nuts. Everything is now focused on the Olympics.

The coaches are trying to see what the other coaches are doing.
They are worried. They are changing the way the kids have always worked out, especially the Saber girl's coaches.

You want a reason they didn't do as well?? All along in all the time they have been fencing, they have been training a certain way, preparing for meets in a certain way, having a schedule that works for them. That is all gone now. They HAVE to do it the NEW IMPROVED way and it is just not working.

There used to be an ownership of the way things worked. The fencers had some choices in how they worked out, how many lessons a week, how much practice etc. Creativity cannot be forced, it has to be nurtured.

Those choices are gone. If the teams are going to do as well, they need to train the way they know how to train, the interference has to stop. Trust the fencers.
The Momster

My emphasis.

I am going to pose you a question. Would you maintain this even though increasing research shows that greatness (sporting, educational whatever...) can, in fact, be manufactured?

Don't forget that this is serious sport at a serious level. Dedication (hopefully cos you love the sport) means sacrifice and working hard. And that also means as hard as the competition. This also means that those running the sport are going to make demands...

[rory]

Really?? cause I'd bet anyone that TIKHOMIROV will be eliminated in the 64.

-m

Technically, TIKHOMIROV did make the 32.... just not the right one.
What are the odds of one fencer called TIKHOMIROV being knocked out by the other TIKHOMIROV in the competition? ;-)

[MHS Fencer]

Here at the World Championships the sport World has gone nuts. Everything is now focused on the Olympics.

The coaches are trying to see what the other coaches are doing.
They are worried. They are changing the way the kids have always worked out, especially the Saber girl's coaches.

You want a reason they didn't do as well?? All along in all the time they have been fencing, they have been training a certain way, preparing for meets in a certain way, having a schedule that works for them. That is all gone now. They HAVE to do it the NEW IMPROVED way and it is just not working.

There used to be an ownership of the way things worked. The fencers had some choices in how they worked out, how many lessons a week, how much practice etc. Creativity cannot be forced, it has to be nurtured.

Those choices are gone. If the teams are going to do as well, they need to train the way they know how to train, the interference has to stop. Trust the fencers.
The Momster

Totally agree with you on this in so many ways. My own personal experience (at a slightly lower level) has told me that I practice best when I want to practice, and I've always believed that it has helped me to not burn out. When I was practicing at others' schedules I did burn out.

I can't believe that the coaches would mess with what has been phenomenal success. It just seems incomprehensibly stupid to me to change something at the end of the Olympic quadrennial - if they want to implement something new, do it after Beijing so that you don't interfere with our athletes' rhythms.

Best of luck with coping with these "new improved" methods.

[sabreur]

Any reporting on the Men's sabre final? Other than Podz has once again proved that he's pretty much a class unto himself?

[Durando]

Les Bleues are going nuts! Jerome is on a tear. But Boisse and Jeannet are in the same bracket. But CONFALONIERI has never fenced Robeiri. But, but, but. Liveblogging the tableaux just sux.

[Army Fencer]

I am going to pose you a question. Would you maintain this even though increasing research shows that greatness (sporting, educational whatever...) can, in fact, be manufactured?

...communist...

Oops! Did I say that out loud?

[Gav]

...communist...

Oops! Did I say that out loud?

Comrade.

Your name is on the list come the revolution...

It's ok I've spoken to the politburo and it's ok to mention this.

[Durando]

My emphasis.

I am going to pose you a question. Would you maintain this even though increasing research shows that greatness (sporting, educational whatever...) can, in fact, be manufactured?

Don't forget that this is serious sport at a serious level. Dedication (hopefully cos you love the sport) means sacrifice and working hard. And that also means as hard as the competition. This also means that those running the sport are going to make demands...

Interesting question as certain countries engage in just such efforts. Aside from the folderol of Olympic success you have to ask yourself what is competitive success for? (Why build the machine at all?) What is the sport for? This is really worth a separate thread.

[JEC]

Fencing teamates at this level must be very hard.

The next bout between teamates is J. (JEROME!!!) Jeannet vs Eric Boisse. I really like Boisse much more than either of the Jeannet brothers, but it is good that Jerome made it this time individually to the medal stand.

Congrats to Durando and Veeco ... 3 Frenchmen in top 8.

[Zilverzmurfen]

KULCSAR Krisztian (HUN) vs. CONFALONIERI Diego (ITA)

and

BOISSE Eric (FRA) vs. JEANNET Jerome (FRA)

[glowstix]

KULCSAR Krisztian (HUN) vs. CONFALONIERI Diego (ITA)

and

BOISSE Eric (FRA) vs. JEANNET Jerome (FRA)

why did i look at this thread, why did i look...

[fencing freakster]

My emphasis.

I am going to pose you a question. Would you maintain this even though increasing research shows that greatness (sporting, educational whatever...) can, in fact, be manufactured?

Don't forget that this is serious sport at a serious level. Dedication (hopefully cos you love the sport) means sacrifice and working hard. And that also means as hard as the competition. This also means that those running the sport are going to make demands...

No wonder Dorothy Hamil is on the cover of the mags in the grocery store with headlines about how suicidal she's been during her life....machines don't make happy people.....

[Durando]

Well, after very nearly coming back from a five-touch deficit, Boisse loses to Kulcsar. It must have been a mighty bout.

That was some very nervous (and disappointing) page reloading. Please god someone find and post the video.

[piste off]

Best of luck with coping with these "new improved" methods.

Can you get more specific as to what you are talking about? I am reading that there was a significant change in some of the athlete's (US woman's sabre?) training methods that the Momster linked to a "sub-expected" performance.

Rick

[sionnach]

Well, after very nearly coming back from a five-touch deficit, Boisse loses to Kulcsar. It must have been a mighty bout.

That was some very nervous (and disappointing) page reloading. Please god someone find and post the video.

When he brought it back to 13-12 i was sure boisse would clinch it. I'm also very impatient to see the bout.