09-25-2007, 09:03 AM
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#1 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| How old can an epee box be and still be useable?
A foil or sabre scoring box without new chips from only a few years ago is nearly worthless. However, epee boxes from a reasonable number of years ago still meet the specifications, and lots of clubs have piles of old scoring boxes that have been replaced but not removed.
How old does a box have to be before it is not reasonable to use it for a modern epee competition (excluding questions of score-time). | 
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09-25-2007, 09:12 AM
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| I have a old Preiur machine that we use for epee and it about 25 year old
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09-25-2007, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by yeoldearmourer  I have a old Preiur machine that we use for epee and it about 25 year old | MEANING:: Unlike the other weapons EPEE never goes out of fashion. Or rather has never been a fashion monger.
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09-25-2007, 10:35 PM
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| Before the new timing switch, there were several CT high schools using machines that were before sabre.
So probably 15 or so years old. We used them for foil, but I assume the epee worked too.
A problem came up once at states when there was a very odd bout and it took several coaches before someone figured out that if you put your guard on your lame, the other fencer couldn't score a touch. | |
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09-26-2007, 01:00 AM
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#5 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| Was the fencer carded properly? | |
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09-26-2007, 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Was the fencer carded properly? | As I remember, no, a touch was annulled...
It was the first tournament I'd ever been to with anyone really having something to win if they did well, and I wasn't really familiar with the rules.
Keep in mind that it was after the fencer was up 4-0 that this was discovered. A further detail is that it was a lefty versus lefty bout, and the reason the fencer was doing this is because he'd never fenced a lefty before; he had no idea it was happening either.
After the problem was discovered they found a newer box and solved the problem that way. | |
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09-26-2007, 12:07 PM
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#7 | | Scrub
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| Has the timing for epee ever been changed? | |
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09-26-2007, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HDG Has the timing for epee ever been changed? | no
.... but I am sure I'll be proven wrong.
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09-26-2007, 01:16 PM
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| If anyone has one for free or cheap, I'd love to have it... Quote:
Originally Posted by KD5MDK and lots of clubs have piles of old scoring boxes that have been replaced but not removed. | | |
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09-26-2007, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by HDG Has the timing for epee ever been changed? | Quiet - We don't want to give the FIE any ideas.
I suspect that the most recent change to the machines for épée may have been the addition of orange-colored lights to indicate shorts (as opposed to the yellow-colored lights required for foil and saber). Based on some of the older machines I've seen I'm guessing that requirement was added sometime in the 70's.
Since not being able to see when an épée fencer hits their opponent's guard or a grounded strip is far less likely to alter the outcome of a bout than a foil fencer blocking touches by shorting out their weapon against their lame (a long-standing problem that was finally corrected in the mid-90s by altering the response of the machine), I wouldn't be surprised to see a few old machines still in use for épée.
Anyone still have an old Leon Paul "War of the Worlds/Bug-Eyed Monster" machine in working order? 
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09-26-2007, 01:45 PM
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| talk to kevin o'neill at brazosport college. he has plans to make an epee only box for about $50. He said he wanted to distribute them for free last I heard. | |
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09-26-2007, 03:15 PM
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#12 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| UT has about 8-10 old boxes that are good for nothing else, so I'd look there first if I wanted cheap boxes, and I'm sure many other established clubs and Divisions are similar. | |
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