09-17-2007, 11:32 AM
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| French grip champions
Are there any great epee fencers who use french grip?Cause I keep seeing pistol being used by everyone... | 
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09-17-2007, 11:35 AM
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| Yes. What is your definition of "great"? | |
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09-17-2007, 12:13 PM
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| Bob Marx used a french grip epee
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09-17-2007, 12:57 PM
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| Depends on your definition of great, and how far back you want to go.
The obvious ones, from the 80s going forward are Boisse (the father), Riboud, Mazzoni and Srecki. Currently F. Jeannet and ???.
Huh, I guess it really depends on how you define greatness - and it yields a pretty limited set.
Hmm - let's see, great pistol grip guys include Koblokov, A. Schmidt...
Rick
BTW - Manuel Sanabre, who won the worlds for Spain in 1989 used one.
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09-17-2007, 01:04 PM
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| Laura Flessel-Colovic and Sherraine Mackay.
I know there's tons more, I just can't come up with names right now.
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09-17-2007, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen  Laura Flessel-Colovic and Sherraine Mackay.
I know there's tons more, I just can't come up with names right now. | Thanks... I forgot women's. I am an idiot.
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09-17-2007, 01:57 PM
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| What about Lei Wang? Didn't he win the 06 WCs with a French epee, or am I just a moron?
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09-17-2007, 02:44 PM
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| No, I'm pretty sure that he used a pistol and that you're just a moron.  Hehehe, j/k, but yeah, I'm pretty sure it was with a pistol.
Also, Paolo Millanoli.
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09-17-2007, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RITFencing What about Lei Wang? Didn't he win the 06 WCs with a French epee, or am I just a moron? | http://english.people.com.cn/200612/...9851766412.jpg
The picture would suggest he's a pistol man, if that's him. I'm not 100% sure. | |
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09-17-2007, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RITFencing What about Lei Wang? Didn't he win the 06 WCs with a French epee, or am I just a moron? | No and no.
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09-17-2007, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by erooMynohtnA | Sure, 100%.
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09-17-2007, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RITFencing What about Lei Wang? Didn't he win the 06 WCs with a French epee, or am I just a moron? | I don't think he did, but maybe I just don't remember him pommelling much. Jeannet uses a french grip iirc.
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09-17-2007, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RITFencing What about Lei Wang? Didn't he win the 06 WCs with a French epee, or am I just a moron? | Moron.
Milanoli certainly comes to mind.
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09-17-2007, 03:50 PM
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| Leroux also used a French grip.
Right now, among the French team, I think Grumier and Robeiri use French as well, and perhaps Janvier?
There is a Russian who fences with French as well, I think it is Tourchine. He holds it in a very different manner than what I have seen before though. He doesn't post it all the way back, but rather holds it somewhere in the middle of the grip.
Silvio Fernandez fences with a French as well.
Ben Solomon used to fence with French. I much prefered the way he fenced then.
For Carlos, who is from Spain, Sepulveda was fencing with a French.
Boisse (father) now fences with both French and pistol. I don't know if he did way back then.
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09-19-2007, 02:17 AM
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| Joaquim Videira POR (Silver at Torino) is another. | |
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09-19-2007, 04:45 PM
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| One definition of "great" would be:
1. Olympic Gold medalist and at least one World Championship
2. Two or more World Championships, and an Olympic medal
3. Three or more World Cup points total year wins
From 1980 on, for Men's only that would yield:
French Grip:
Boisse (the father), Riboud, Mazzoni* and Srecki.
Pistol Grip:
Harmenberg, A. Schmidt, Koblokov
Any others?
* I am pretty sure Mazzoni won at least 3 WCs total year points, he was pretty dominant.
There are obviously other good ones that have been named (great ones, except for the definition above).
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09-19-2007, 04:55 PM
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| Milanoli won the 2001 WC. Great video of that bout. He also had the insane clown mask as well.
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09-19-2007, 04:59 PM
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| PaoloMilanoli is very good with french grip, and specially in pommeling | |
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09-20-2007, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by veeco Leroux also used a French grip.
Right now, among the French team, I think Grumier and Robeiri use French as well, and perhaps Janvier? | doesn't janvier use a pistol?? at least he did in all my '04/'05 dvd's...not sure about now.
i'm using french now...not a champion, but worth noting..hehe  (my fencing is much better too,  ). | |
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09-21-2007, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by glowstix doesn't janvier use a pistol?? at least he did in all my '04/'05 dvd's...not sure about now. | I believe so. | |
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