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Welted 24/7 · 07-18-2007, 07:19 PM

I can only assume this means it's going to be a different format than normal, but FRED hasn't got any more information on it. Can any of you Massachusites help me out?

qatet · 07-18-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Welted 24/7

I can only assume this means it's going to be a different format than normal, but FRED hasn't got any more information on it. Can any of you Massachusites help me out?

Not sure how PDF is planning on doing it, but the Canadian Elite format is pools, DEs, pools, DEs. There are often cuts between rounds. Lots and lots of fencing for the good fencers.

darius · 07-18-2007, 10:15 PM

More specifically; the CSC format is:

- Pools. Top 4 get bye to super-pools (also known as the J. McGuire rule)

- 80% promoted to DEs, fenced with repechage from the 16.

- Once you have a tableau of 12, add in the top 4 from pools, divide them into 2 super-pools of 8.

- Top 12 fencers are seeded into a DE tableau, which is fenced off.

It's a fun format, which we can no longer experience due to their closed nature (previously, Americans could enter). Apparently the CFF isn't quite as inclusive as the USFA.

darius

MyrddinsPrecint · 07-18-2007, 10:56 PM

The Canadian Elite: Traditionally the tournament I never get to go to.

*cough*

I don't even remember why I couldn't last year....

KD5MDK · 07-18-2007, 11:11 PM

Just to check, it's straight DE until there are 16 fencers left. Then the fence, and the 8 losers fence each other to form a round of 12? That's only a little bit of repechage then, only one round.

MyrddinsPrecint · 07-18-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Just to check, it's straight DE until there are 16 fencers left. Then the fence, and the 8 losers fence each other to form a round of 12? That's only a little bit of repechage then, only one round.

Only a little repechage, but a lot of total fencing, especially if you do well (but not too well)

KD5MDK · 07-19-2007, 12:40 AM

It does sound a little brief for the top 4.

SJB · 07-19-2007, 12:41 AM

Also, all of the reffing has to be done in French.

KD5MDK · 07-19-2007, 12:49 AM

And the complaints in Italian?

oiuyt · 07-19-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

It does sound a little brief for the top 4.

They get the initial pools, then an 8-person pool of all quality bouts, then fence out DEs through the final 12 people. They get a long break in the middle, but it's more fencing and more quality fencing than a typical tournament for the top few people.

Having the super pools of 8 for the L16 is a really nice thing. High-level pool bouts tend to be rare at the local level.

-B

DJ Apostrophe · 07-19-2007, 10:37 AM

I should have been more clear with the FRED listing... I'll put this data there when I get a chance... we won't be using the current format, but rather, the old one... possibly slightly modified... but here's the format:

1 Round of Pools - 100% promoted
Straight DE to the round of 16
Round of 16 is fenced as two double stripped pools of 8.
4 fencers promoted from each pool.
DE of 8 - table looks like this:
1A
4B

3A
2B

2A
3B

4A
1B

This is done so your first DE in the 8 is against someone from the other pool.

Last year was well attended (particularly the sabre that took place at the end of our elite sabre camp) and a lot of fun.

It's only $10... we have air conditioning... come out and fence.

http://askfred.net/Events/whoIsComin...nament_id=3934

-w

seven6ty · 07-19-2007, 01:05 PM

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It's a fun format, which we can no longer experience due to their closed nature (previously, Americans could enter). Apparently the CFF isn't quite as inclusive as the USFA.

So, doesn't that kind of make it, not, an "open"?

epeemike81 · 07-19-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by seven6ty

So, doesn't that kind of make it, not, an "open"?

Canadian Elite tournaments (as in the real ones) neither are nor claim to be open.

Our Canadian Elite STYLE open is very much an open.

-m

seven6ty · 07-19-2007, 01:47 PM

Ohhhhhhh, hahaha, gotcha! I was mixing up the info for the two tournaments, didn't realize this was a state-side one.

Mauler · 07-19-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe

... we have air conditioning... come out and fence.

Aaaaaahhhhh.... Sinful pleasure that is Strip 1.

My single most favorite strip to ref at in the entire continent. Especially if the fencers don't do anything that requires me to move away from the spot where the ventilator blows all the cool air down to.

Alas, I'll be wrapping things up at the Empire State Games at the time. In a hot, stuffy, tiny gym.

KD5MDK · 07-19-2007, 06:52 PM

I'm still trying to figure out why air conditioning is an inducement. I thought it was a baseline.

Fencergrl · 07-19-2007, 07:02 PM

You Americans are spoiled! In Canada, if you want air-conditioning you have to encourage a penguin to flap it's wings real fast.

Just try and talk a penguin into doing much of anything when it's feeling sluggish!!!

DJ Apostrophe · 07-19-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I'm still trying to figure out why air conditioning is an inducement. I thought it was a baseline.

Maybe in Texas it's a baseline... but up here, it is more common for a club not to have air conditioning than to have it.

-w

KD5MDK · 07-19-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fencergrl

You Americans are spoiled! In Canada, if you want air-conditioning you have to encourage a penguin to flap it's wings real fast.

Just try and talk a penguin into doing much of anything when it's feeling sluggish!!!

I get that from my girlfriend all the time.

Inquartata · 07-20-2007, 04:18 AM

You have a girlfriend?! LUXURY! Why, when I was your age I had to make do with a, er, on second thought, let's NOT go there, despite the lure of the Monty Python routine...