tactical thinking: martial arts vs fencing

[lemon__fresh]

question to the martial artists(hand to hand)/fencers out there

i was wondering how much tactical thinking/strategizing you do during a martial arts bout as compared to a fencing bout?

is it reactionary or are you planning ahead and setting traps, trying to control your opponent

[piste off]

question to the martial artists/fencers out there

i was wondering how much tactical thinking/strategizing you do during a martial arts bout as compared to a fencing bout?

is it reactionary or are you planning ahead and setting traps, trying to control your opponent

Since fencing is a martial art, I would think they would be the same...

Rick

[lemon__fresh]

ughhh ill redo it

[Eejit]

I think he was referring to unarmed martial arts.

[lemon__fresh]

yup, oh well

[noodle]

in martial arts, i did less tactical thinking. but that was because the rules were more simple and the options were more limited when it came to point sparring.

[Slim]

question to the martial artists(hand to hand)/fencers out there

i was wondering how much tactical thinking/strategizing you do during a martial arts bout as compared to a fencing bout?

is it reactionary or are you planning ahead and setting traps, trying to control your opponent

There are similarities, and differences. Bout starts, you spend some time feeling out your opponent, trying to see if you can get him to do something...trying to control rather than be controlled...looking for an opening or weakness to exploit. But I suppose that's true in any head to head sport, really.

The biggest difference is the cost of making a mistake, and factoring that into your strategery for both:

In BJJ/MMA, you might get choked out or knocked unconscious. Or have an appendage snapped, if you're stubborn. Even in TKD or point sparring with pads, you might take a hard hit or kick that can hurt a bit. Quite a bit in fact.

In fencing.....well......ah......a little light turns on.

[Slim]

Since fencing is a martial art, I would think they would be the same...

Rick

Sport fencing is not a martial art. It's a game of tag.

We've been here before.

[jeff]

Oh no, not another spate of 'my martial art is more butch than your martial art' posts.

If aikido is a martial art, or iado, or kata-only karate and kung fu, then fencing sure is. Yeah, yeah, we had this argument before. But, Slim's first post nails it: similar in many ways, with less painful consequences for a mistake.

[noodle]

Sport fencing is not a martial art. It's a game of tag.

We've been here before.

so is any major competitive martial art. the tags are just a little harder.

[keith]

so is any major competitive martial art. the tags are just a little harder.

so dodge ball is a martial art?

[RITFencing]

so dodge ball is a martial art?

Sure, why not? I don't particularly put MAs on a pedestal, and I'm sure there are people who make an art out of dodgeball.

It has the added advantage of not requiring its practitioners to wear silly clothes and mispronounce Asian words.

[lemon__fresh]

so much for staying on topic

[lemon__fresh]

It has the added advantage of not requiring its practitioners to wear silly clothes and mispronounce Asian words.

or wear silly clothes and mispronounce french terms

although im pretty sure the arguing and screaming is apart of dodgeball

[RITFencing]

or wear silly clothes and mispronounce french terms

although im pretty sure the arguing and screaming is apart of dodgeball as well

Ha! You see? Fencing IS a martial art!

But have you ever seen what those kendo guys wear? Our stupid pants are WAY better than their stupid pants.

[RITFencing]

so much for staying on topic

Sorry, man. I'm in a rambunctious mood.

I do have a friend who is very active in martial arts competitions, and we like to talk about tactical differences. She doesn't spend as much time setting traps and adjusting distance, but while she's kicking ass in her division nationally, she has yet to start high level competition, so that may change.

[keith]

Ha! You see? Fencing IS a martial art!

no - last I checked French isn't and asian language.

Now if you have a chinese coach, well maybe.

But have you ever seen what those kendo guys wear? Our stupid pants are WAY better than their stupid pants.

...not a big fan of flouncing are you? Much easier to flounce in kendo pants.

[RITFencing]

no - last I checked French isn't and asian language.

Now if you have a chinese coach, well maybe.

Well, I have been to a camp at Mr. Ma's...

Besides, it's all a bunch of gibberish to me anyway.

...not a big fan of flouncing are you? Much easier to flounce in kendo pants.

Flouncing? Not as such, no.

[noodle]

so dodge ball is a martial art?

how did you draw that conclusion? sounds like you're being purposefully obtuse. i challenge you to describe your logic, how you took my statement and arrived at yours.

for reference, before i switched full time to fencing, i had 12 years of martial arts under my belt, including 5 years of high level competition experience

[nahouw]

If aikido is a martial art, or iado, or kata-only karate and kung fu, then fencing sure is. Yeah, yeah, we had this argument before. But, Slim's first post nails it: similar in many ways, with less painful consequences for a mistake.

when I practiced aikido, the hand-to-hand actions were the same as if when we were using a bokken -- in fact, by using the bokken, that is an aide to help to understand how to correctly position your hands.

so the answer to lemon_fresh, is it is the same.