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bigdawg2121 · 07-10-2007, 12:01 AM

I heard tell that enough of the gossip etc. from Nats has not appeared yet. So here it is: who screwed up while reffing your bouts? Who did a great job reffing your bouts? Who do we keep an eye on next season? Who was that really hot girl or guy walking about the venue?

I'll start: I have the one and only official's name badge that will become a collector's item. I'll accept bids.

eac · 07-10-2007, 12:14 AM

Both my refs in my D1MF pool were a little iffy by D1 standards, and other people in the pool agreed. They probably reversed about one call per bout, maybe a bit less. I don't know their names, but once the complete results come out I and anyone else who cares will be able to figure it out.

All my refs otherwise, (D1 DE, D1a pools and DEs, and senior team) were extremely accurate.

KD5MDK · 07-10-2007, 12:43 AM

I think I may have a relatively singular distinction in being yelled at by Greg Massialis about an epee call.

MyrddinsPrecint · 07-10-2007, 01:00 AM

I wanna hear about oiuyt and the pool with 20 cards.

(is that like 20 veils?)

KD5MDK · 07-10-2007, 01:31 AM

oiuyt and the dance of 20 cards. From Floridian Nights.

bigdawg2121 · 07-10-2007, 01:37 AM

I feel like 20 isn't actually all that many. I probably had a pool or two that came close. (Although with the exception of cards at the beginning of bouts a lot of them were not properly noted technically.)

KD5MDK · 07-10-2007, 02:02 AM

It's just under 1 per bout for a pool of 7, which isn't that bad, although if you assume that 1 or 2 of the kids (this has to be kids or Div II/III foil, right?) are good and clean in their fencing and gear it raises the other bouts cards substantially.

epeemike81 · 07-10-2007, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

It's just under 1 per bout for a pool of 7, which isn't that bad, although if you assume that 1 or 2 of the kids (this has to be kids or Div II/III foil, right?) are good and clean in their fencing and gear it raises the other bouts cards substantially.

not really... Assuming 2 kids get no cards, we're looking at a total of 1 bout with no kids who get cards... thus, we're averaging 1 card per bout in the remaining 20... hardly a substantial change from 20 cards in 21 bouts to 20 cards in 20 bouts...

-m

qatet · 07-10-2007, 07:51 AM

Well, oiuyt's pool was a pool of 6, so there were only 15 bouts. It was a Vet event. Some of the pool looked rather heated.

tbryan · 07-10-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by qatet

Some of the pool looked rather heated.

I wouldn't think that they'd need heated pools in Miami, especially in July.

Sorry, I tried to resist. I really did.

Dr Epee · 07-10-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tbryan

I wouldn't think that they'd need heated pools in Miami, especially in July.

Bravo!

fencein2012USA · 07-10-2007, 10:05 AM

Oleg Steviv

Watch out for him.

We makes random calls through the bout that are outrageous and the fencers are able to adapt to him people his calls always change.

I saw a bout in cadet mens sabre including Evan Prochniak, where he messed up at least a hand full of calls.

Watch out, hes on the loose!

oiuyt · 07-10-2007, 10:59 AM

My 20-card pool was a 6-person pool in V60MF.

And it should have been more. I missed the fact that one of my competitors didn't have his name on back or leg at the start of the pool. Caught it as he was unhooking from the first bout. Talked to him, he got his lamé stenciled before his second bout. So that should have been 21.

Only two of the cards were for equipment. At least several each for covering, corps a corps, and turning the back. I don't think any other penalties were called.

-B

KShan5[PrFC] · 07-10-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by fencein2012USA

Oleg Steviv

Watch out for him.

We makes random calls through the bout that are outrageous and the fencers are able to adapt to him people his calls always change.

I saw a bout in cadet mens sabre including Evan Prochniak, where he messed up at least a hand full of calls.

Watch out, hes on the loose!

I hope you're being sarcastic....Oleg is one of the best sabre refs in the US, it's not even really a question.

HDG · 07-10-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KShan5[PrFC]

I hope you're being sarcastic....Oleg is one of the best sabre refs in the US, it's not even really a question.

I don't know anything about him, but I don't find him on the FOC list on Fred. Is his name misspelled?

AndrewH · 07-10-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fencein2012USA

Oleg Steviv

Watch out for him.

We makes random calls through the bout that are outrageous and the fencers are able to adapt to him people his calls always change.

I saw a bout in cadet mens sabre including Evan Prochniak, where he messed up at least a hand full of calls.

Watch out, hes on the loose!

He's actually one of the few refs I've never had a bad call from. I've argued a few, but after explanation they made sense.

journalmom · 07-10-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

And it should have been more. I missed the fact that one of my competitors didn't have his name on back or leg at the start of the pool.
-B

I saw so many youth (Y14 MF and Cadet MF) fencers without names on lames or legs. What's up with that??? Don't know if they got carded but I doubt it.

And since we are talking about lames, I saw a group of youth fencers who supposedly "outgrew" their lames and "didn't know" that they were too small. Helloooow. Their lames reach up to their ribs and they were still fencing in them. Also, there was a kid who was wearing a lame that was so obviously altered to have narrower shoulder and the director didn't even know it.

What's the point of parents cheating so blatantly? Oh.. so their little kids can win by cheating???? I'm sure it's not the kids who ask their parents to alter their equipment to cheat. Adults should really grow up!

Inquartata · 07-10-2007, 11:22 AM

Andrew, I think it's less a matter of competence than of motivation. I was watching him ref a pool in the Div III MS and he was calling an awful lot of doubles...some of which even I could parse.

There are refs who seem to think that it's incumbent on them to hold less skilled fencers to lower standards than the more skilled ones---or think that tight calls willonly confuse and frustrate them. Others seem to sleepwalk through events which are not good enough to fire their interest, or they think that only point events matter and conserve their energies for those.

Or maybe it was just an off day. Whatever was going on with him, I am quite confident that he would not have called 90% of those "doubles" if they occurred in Div I. And he'd have gotten the ROW right just about every time...

trazom · 07-10-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HDG

I don't know anything about him, but I don't find him on the FOC list on Fred. Is his name misspelled?

Oleg Stetsiv. FRED has him as a triple-4.

KD5MDK · 07-10-2007, 11:57 AM

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I saw so may youth (Y14 MF and Cadet MF) fencers without names on lames or legs.

I didn't ref either of those events, but are you sure they weren't just really faint? I had a lot of those.