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Youth Olympics 2010 I just read the following article:
http://news.webindia123.com/news/Art...27/698355.html
How do you think this will affect the fencing world? Do you think the entire event will be a success?
Last edited by fencingtaxi; 07-05-2007 at 08:47 PM.
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 Originally Posted by fencingtaxi 
Since the age range for this is 14 to 18, it's gonna be hard to figure out the US team for this event. I guess in addition to the Y14, Cadet and Junior point standings, there will have to be a "Youth Olympic Team" standings that tabulates the points from fencers of all three age groups. It will probably be a bit confusing for everybody at first.
One tricky part would be determining what events should qualify for the team point standings. I guess one way to simplify it would be to just use the Junior standings, and just take away those who wouldn't be eligible at the the time of the event.
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My bet would be that the FIE will re-define Junior to be in line with the IOC's definition and the Youth Olympics will replace that year's Junior Worlds the same way the Olympics replaces Senior Worlds.
Then again, I may be expecting too much common sense from the FIE...
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Last edited by epeemike81; 07-05-2007 at 09:02 PM.
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Originally Posted by fencingtaxi The article didn't say that all sports would be represented. Seeing as that the number of normal medals we have is two less than the number of events, I wouldn't be surprised if we were one of the first that wasn't included.
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs The article didn't say that all sports would be represented. Seeing as that the number of normal medals we have is two less than the number of events, I wouldn't be surprised if we were one of the first that wasn't included. Since they are aiming for only 3,000 athletes instead of the usual 11,000, I would indeed expect a cut. My guess is, since it looks like they don't even want the kids to wear national uniforms, that they would cut all three team events. Hope that means that all 6 individual events will be included.
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I would be very surprised if fencing is included.
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Originally Posted by downunder I would be very surprised if fencing is included. With all the talk about whether or not there will be Cadet Worlds, I wouldn't be surprised to see the FIE go this way. Whoopee! My avatar is back.
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Originally Posted by fencerbill With all the talk about whether or not there will be Cadet Worlds, I wouldn't be surprised to see the FIE go this way. I don't doubt the FIE want it to be included. I don't think it's up to them though.
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Originally Posted by downunder I don't doubt the FIE want it to be included. I don't think it's up to them though.
Who would it be up to?
The article said only Olympic sports will be covered. I would think that since fencing is one of the oldest Olympic sports, it should be and will be included.
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Originally Posted by fencingtaxi Who would it be up to?
The article said only Olympic sports will be covered. I would think that since fencing is one of the oldest Olympic sports, it should be and will be included. The IOC, who have NOT been friendly to fencing.
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Originally Posted by fencingtaxi Who would it be up to?
The article said only Olympic sports will be covered. I would think that since fencing is one of the oldest Olympic sports, it should be and will be included.  Fencing is expensive in terms of both labour and equipment required, and generates relatively little publicity. I'm surprised we missed the last cut, and I understand that is pretty well attributed to Rene.
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Originally Posted by fencingtaxi Just found some more info on this.
http://video.olympic.org/http/yog_uk.pdf
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Originally Posted by downunder Fencing is expensive in terms of both labour and equipment required, and generates relatively little publicity. I'm surprised we missed the last cut, and I understand that is pretty well attributed to Rene. Fencing WILL be included in the 2010 Youth Olympics. Any word on if all weapons/teams will be competing? How will the U.S. fencers be chosen? One of the websites says all athletes will be chosen 18 months beforehand for training purposes.
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... What do they do when the gymnastics champion is also the real Olympic champion? The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Interesting - I've often thought that some sort of mixed gender format for each weapon (with only same-gender bouts, of course) might be a good way to adapt to the current IOC limits on the number of team medals at the real Olympics. Alternatively, you could have two events (men's and women's) that each combined the three weapons.
Either way, if such a format was practical, I'd consider it far preferable to the current system of arbitrarily dropping two events. In Olympic years, the FIE could hold a separate team world championship for all six traditional weapon squads, just as they do now for the two omitted weapons.
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The FIE proposed a mixed-gender team format prior to the Athens Games as part of the effort to add WS while staying within the 10 sets of medals limitation. The IOC shot it down at that time as they didn't want experimental formats in the Games.
Either they're thinking of using the YOG as an experimental testbed or they're being inconsistent.
-B "Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
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Originally Posted by oiuyt The FIE proposed a mixed-gender team format prior to the Athens Games as part of the effort to add WS while staying within the 10 sets of medals limitation. The IOC shot it down at that time as they didn't want experimental formats in the Games.
Either they're thinking of using the YOG as an experimental testbed or they're being inconsistent.
-B The IOC would NEVER be inconsistent... That's it, I'm done with the discussion forums on F.net. It's had its uses, but the ideologues, ranters, and "experts" have drowned too many of the conversations. I'm changing my password to something random and never logging in again.
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Originally Posted by telkanuru ... What do they do when the gymnastics champion is also the real Olympic champion? Allow the proud young lady to graduate into 4th grade*
*advancement may only be valid in Romania and China "Sometimes we, as coaches, get into that dictator mode where you just tell and you don't listen and you don't try to understand them." Tom Izzo, Mich. St.
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Mixed Continental Team Competition? Resurrecting this discussion....
From this link:
http://www.singapore2010.sg/sports.html
So I guess the team competition is "my best foil guy against the other country's best foil guy", and so on for each weapon and gender..for a total of only 6 bouts? Is this how it would work? I hope each bout is longer than 5 touches then.
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