06-22-2007, 02:37 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Small foil assembly Question
When assembling an electric foil and putting the blade on, is the side with the wire supposed to be up or down?
(Sorry, I am somewhat new as far as armory goes)
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06-22-2007, 02:54 PM
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| UP because of the way the wire is glued in
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06-22-2007, 04:06 PM
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| Huh.
When you make a hit and push, the blade always (maybe it's almost always) bends one way, with the arc of the blade up. Why IS that?
We bend the blade when we glue, and we bend it that way, so in effect, Tim is right, but we could bend it down if we wanted to. Is the blade built to flex up, or is it just whatever side is up does it because of the way we train fencers to hit? A dry blade flexes up, so it's not the channel or the wire that actually causes an up flex.
The handle has a mouse hole for the wire. The blade has to be up for the wire to go through the mouse hole. If we wanted to make the channel down, that is the only part that actually wouldn't permit it. | |
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06-22-2007, 04:19 PM
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| The rules state the the wire groove must be on top.
make SURE all teh notches for the wire in teh guard, the socket bracket, and teh nose of the grip line up so nothing crushes teh wire...remember that the wire goes through all those holes! | |
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06-22-2007, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by yeoldearmourer  UP because of the way the wire is glued in | No, up because m.8 (4) and m.16 say so. | 
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06-23-2007, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK No, up because m.8 (4) and m.16 say so. | Which came first, the practice or the rule enshrining it? | |
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06-23-2007, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by HDG Which came first, the practice or the rule enshrining it? | Probably not germane to any rule enactment, but it's easier for the fencer to notice if their wire has started to pop out of the groove if it's on top.
They'd notice it if the wire were on the bottom too, but it would have to be further out before it became obvious to them, meaning more time to actually get broken. | |
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06-23-2007, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by HDG Which came first, the practice or the rule enshrining it? | The practice. If you go back to the pre-TOM rules the rule (30) stated just that the thumb must be in the same plane as the groove. When the first TOM rulebook came out that rule was missing. Then there were the Laser blades. These had grooves along both sides of the blade. Because of these blades and the thought that the referee would not notice the wires if there were some irregularities at the base of the blade if it was on the bottom.
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06-23-2007, 04:45 PM
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| I thought the rule was to prevent the American foils that had a hollow tube in the center to run the wire through instead of a groove. | |
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06-23-2007, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK I thought the rule was to prevent the American foils that had a hollow tube in the center to run the wire through instead of a groove. | Those predate the other blades Donald referenced, tho. | |
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