When to extend

[keith]

Originally Posted by edew

The rules require that the extension starts before the back foot moves during the advance part of the advance-lunge. If not, then the advance is not part of a simple attack and so an opponent's attack during the advance will have right of way.

So if I advance and my opponent attacks on the front foot I can parry? and if they don't I can lunge and hit?

*wonders if there is even such a thing as a step lunge attack*

[downunder]

Originally Posted by keith

*wonders if there is even such a thing as a step lunge attack*

I think it is important to notice that the attack only begins on the final step lunge. (and also to read my last post on the last page)

You have to hit someone before that commence that final step if they extend and thus execute their attack correctly. Just because you extend first doesn't mean you have right of way in this particular circumstance.

[keith]

Originally Posted by downunder

I think it is important to notice that the attack only begins on the final step lunge. (and also to read my last post on the last page)

That was a pedagogical observation not an adjudication observation .

Your interpretation of the step-lunge is closer to my understanding than edew's - which means absolutely bugger all of course.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

It depends---- you should only extend before you hit people if you like getting touches and dislike buying new blades a lot.

: D

[edew]

Originally Posted by downunder

That's not what my rules say.

t.56. (foil) c) The attack with a step-forward-lunge or a step-forward-flèche is correctly executed when the straightening of the arm precedes the end of the step forward and the initiation of the lunge or the flèche.

t.75.4. (sabre) An attack with a step-forward-lunge is correctly carried out:
a) as a simple attack (cf. t.8.1) when the arm is straightening before the completion of the step-forward and when the hit arrives at the latest at the end of the lunge;

I believe that's pretty much what I was saying...

[downunder]

Originally Posted by edew

I believe that's pretty much what I was saying...

and I believe there is a huge difference between 'before the back foot moves' and 'preceding the end of the step'.

[edew]

I advise people to extend before the back foot move just to make sure that the referee sees it. This is more for saber than for foil. In foil, I think you can delay the extension a bit longer.