Seeding parries?

[The Terran]

Anyone ever heard the term "seeding parry"? I stopped by my club the other night to grab a drink of water and one of the students in the class that was going on asked me if I knew what a seeding parry was. I had no clue, and the instructor was out of the room grabbing some manual that had the definition in it. When he came back with the book I asked him what he knew about the term, and he told me to take the class and find out. (He's a prick like that)

My (rather limited) searching has turned up nothing. Is this some sort of archaic term from the 19th century I shouldn't worry about or am I missing a valuable piece of fencing knowledge? From what the students told me, they were thinking it was an action involving letting your opponent bind your blade, and then an evasion before their repost for the hit...But it looked to me like nothing more than a bind and a counterattack before the riposte.

Any thoughts?

[noodle]

link: Do you do ceding and intercepting parries?

ceding: (v) give over; surrender or relinquish to the physical control of another

[The Terran]

Thanks noodle, I feel like a tard but at least now I know what's what.

[achilles_heal]

Originally Posted by The Terran

Anyone ever heard the term "seeding parry"?

try "ceding parry". go look it up, cause i am a pr*** like that

darn it noodle. man, i am too slow.

[nahouw]

Originally Posted by The Terran

Anyone ever heard the term "seeding parry"?

It is called a ceding parry, or a yielding parry. you use your opponents strentgh to work with you.

[Fencergrl]

Originally Posted by The Terran

Anyone ever heard the term "seeding parry"?

Yes when the ground is warm enough to work, you place the seeds in line... using a simple technique of having the seed in front and taking a step backwards then repeating until you get the hang of it.

I would start with the seeds in line and see how they develop. Afterwards, you might want to consider changing the lines.... but for beginers, it's best to keep it simple.

In either case, by fall, you should have a nice crop of parries to harvest. I particularly like a nice fall stew full of plump #4, 6 and #8 parries... with just a touch of prime (it adds a nice unexpected flavour). If I'm having lefties to dinner I might add a little number 7 parry to the pot...

My sabre stew is also quite nice... I tend to use the #5, 3 & 4 for that one with a little riposte from the herb garden... it's a real hit!

[RITFencing]

When the opponent presses on your blade, you change lines while keeping contact so that your blade is now on the opposite side of where hey were pushing.

I use this all the time; engage the blade in six, if they push back, I transfer to prime and close up the distance.

Does that clear it up?

[fencerbill]

Originally Posted by RITFencing

When the opponent presses on your blade, you change lines while keeping contact so that your blade is now on the opposite side of where hey were pushing.

I use this all the time; engage the blade in six, if they push back, I transfer to prime and close up the distance.

Does that clear it up?

Clear it up? I thought I understood before I read your posting but now I am completely confused.

[Fencergrl]

Originally Posted by RITFencing

When the opponent presses on your blade, you change lines while keeping contact so that your blade is now on the opposite side of where hey were pushing.

I use this all the time; engage the blade in six, if they push back, I transfer to prime and close up the distance.

Does that clear it up?

That's interesting... my coach does that a lot as well.

When she teaches ceding parries in 4, 6 or 8 we were taught to take a step back. I tend to associate the "step back" with the parry rather than a step forward.

[RITFencing]

Originally Posted by fencerbill

Clear it up? I thought I understood before I read your posting but now I am completely confused.

Then my work as a coach is complete.

This is why I try not to talk much when I give lessons... so much easier to just engage the student's blade and say "now push against mine, slowly" and show them how the dang thing works.

[peet]

Yeah receding/ceding/yeilding parries are exceedingly* difficult to explain in words.



-p


get it? exCEEDingly? hoo boy, I just crack myself up!

[RITFencing]

Originally Posted by Fencergrl

That's interesting... my coach does that a lot as well.

When she teaches ceding parries in 4, 6 or 8 we were taught to take a step back. I tend to associate the "step back" with the parry rather than a step forward.

The reason I step in is because I use prime when infighting... this is a way to get in very close to the opponent with my tip pointing at them and their tip way out in la la land. I can generally try my riposte and a remise or two before they even bring their weapon to bear.

If I were going, say, 4 to 6, I might step back or hold my ground, depending on what the opponent is doing.

It's difficult to have a hard and fast rule like "always step back when doing X." It's something that's good for people learning something new, so that they can get a handle on it, but after that I think it's more productive to say "use the footwork you need to get to the correct distance at the correct time when doing X."

That's something I like about the Beck System's footwork... techniques are practiced with different, commonly used footwork patterns to get fencers used to adapting the same bladework action to different tempos, distances, and tactical situations (offensive vs defensive, for example.)

[RITFencing]

Originally Posted by peet

Yeah receding/ceding/yeilding parries are exceedingly* difficult to explain in words.



-p


get it? exCEEDingly? hoo boy, I just crack myself up!

If I don't laugh, will you delete my FRED account?

[nahouw]

Originally Posted by RITFencing

I use this all the time; engage the blade in six, if they push back, I transfer to prime and close up the distance.

Exactly - and then I finish with a riposte by moulinet, and enjoy the surprised look on thier face

[RITFencing]

Originally Posted by nahouw

Exactly - and then I finish with a riposte by moulinet, and enjoy the surprised look on thier face

Nah, riposte still in prime and remise with moulinet.

EDIT: Though, after taking a parry 2 in close, I sometimes like to riposte with a moulinet around my head if I'm feeling flashy.

[peet]

Originally Posted by RITFencing

If I don't laugh, will you delete my FRED account?

Of course not, why would I do such a thing?

I'll just delete all your ratings, and make you DFL in every event!


-p

[RITFencing]

Originally Posted by peet

Of course not, why would I do such a thing?

I'll just delete all your ratings, and make you DFL in every event!


-p

Sometimes it seems like I won't need any help with that, but thanks anyway.

[seven6ty]

I didn't think you necessarily needed to change lines. My idea of it is when an opponent parries your blade, you let them, and as they begin to extend for their riposte, you simply take a small step back, raise your tip so that the foible of their blade goes into the forte of your own, and you simply counter-parry.

Ya know, like they parry, riposte, and then you parry riposte back.

[keith]

Originally Posted by seven6ty

I didn't think you necessarily needed to change lines.

well you don't change lines so much as guide them across the line and away from target. The judo comparison is perhaps a good one; you use the opponents movement/momentum against them.

[seven6ty]

Yes, I know, but I didn't necessarily think that was any kind of a requirement for a seeding parry. Like you can cede a sixte parry with a sixte parry. There is no going with the flow, as you step back and in a way, force it back in the direction in which it came from.