08-05-2000, 10:55 AM
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#1 | | Member
Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: East Haddam, CT, USA
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| Tip conspiracy...
I never used to have many problems with French epee tips. I went through 3 in four weeks! I also went through about 10 screws in the same amount of time. The screws - when I find them - are fine; the tip is where the problem is everytime. The screws actually tear out of the tip. I switched to an old tip and haven't had any problems for two and a half weeks now.
So my question is this: did I just get a bad two batches of tips, or are the makers of these (HPC, Prieur) making them out of softer metal so we'll be forced to buy more tips - or go german?
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08-06-2000, 07:52 AM
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#2 | | Senior Member
Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Reflecting God
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| get German tips, french tips are garbage. Unless you have to use them because your whole club does, i wouldnt touch french tips. actually i wouldnt touch them even if the whole club did
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08-07-2000, 08:57 PM
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#3 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ypsilanti, Mi USA
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| From reading Volkmann's book, there is a new Italian style epee tip that doesn't use any screws at all. If screws are the problem maybe you should go that route.
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08-08-2000, 03:59 AM
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#4 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Beaverton, OR, USA
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| That's the tip he's talking about. 
They also have them for foil, but I haven't gotten the guts to pay a bunch of $$ to have a single tip sent here from Italy.
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08-08-2000, 09:53 PM
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#5 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ypsilanti, Mi USA
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| Re these new screwless tips, www.negrini.com is offering them, they're called SCHERMASPORT tips. They offer screwless tips for both foil and epee. Costlier than regular tips, but I could see buying some in the future. I like the idea of reducing the number of components that could break down.
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08-09-2000, 07:18 AM
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#6 | | Member
Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: East Haddam, CT, USA
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| I started another thread asking about who sells the scherma sport tips... they look pretty sweet. unfortunately only negrini sells them right now. I've emailed some equipment vendors in the US asking them if they think they could carry the screwless tips; so far I haven't gotten an answer from them.
if that falls through, anyone want to consolidate orders and save on international shipping? | |
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08-10-2000, 11:47 PM
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#7 | | Guest | There one problem with the screwless tip the rules state that there must be screws. Any refree could yellow card by the rules as they are now | |
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08-13-2000, 07:30 PM
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#8 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ypsilanti, Mi USA
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| From what I was reading on ESTOC and the other sight for schermasport, they say that they strictly meet all FIE requirements with these screwless tips.
So that brings up a question, if there is this must have screws rule, are we requiring them domestically when they aren't for international events? Or are they fibbing about passing the FIE specs?
Mike | |
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08-14-2000, 06:00 AM
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#9 | | Member
Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Interlachen, FL USA
Posts: 52
| I believe that rule states that if there is a place for screws then they must be present. You cannot use an epee with a single screw if it had spots for two. If it was designed with 4 screw spots then it must have 4 screws. 3 screws would fail the weapon.
kro | |
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08-17-2000, 09:54 PM
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#10 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ypsilanti, Mi USA
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| I looked up the rule, USFA 99 edition, it says that the tip must be affixed by two screws, or 'any other method approved by the SEMI committe of the FIE'. That being the case, I think the real question is: Did the SEMI committe approve the new Estoc screwless tips or not?
Mike
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08-24-2000, 04:37 PM
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#11 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ypsilanti, Mi USA
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| Re the SEMI committe, while I'm not sure wether theres a spot on the net to confirm this, I got an email from Physical Chess stating that the SEMI committe did approve the screwless tips they'll be selling, so it appears that the tips are totally legal and you shouldn't be carded over them. From what they were saying they'd put more info about them on their web site when they go on sale come september. I think this is a great idea, one less little part that will break or require fussing with.
Mike | |
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