Is that knife sharp or even sturdy? Someone I know has a Cabar knife that is military issue and you can use it for everything. The one that was a prize looked more decorative or a immitation of the real thing.
Anyways, I got a story. I had just finished pools and a foil DE was finishing up on the strip next to us. The director called attack couter attack, touch right. The guy on the left started to cry and shouting through his runny nose and quivering lips "That was my touch!!! That was mine TOUCH!!!!" He then just drew a line on the score sheet and ran off into the bleachers and buried his head in his arms. This might be ok if the fencer was 5 or 6 but this guy was early to middle 20's. I just looked at the other people in my pool and we all started laughing shortly after he went out of earshot.........o k
Is that knife sharp or even sturdy? Someone I know has a Cabar knife that is military issue and you can use it for everything. The one that was a prize looked more decorative or a immitation of the real thing.
Anyways, I got a story. I had just finished pools and a foil DE was finishing up on the strip next to us. The director called attack couter attack, touch right. The guy on the left started to cry and shouting through his runny nose and quivering lips "That was my touch!!! That was mine TOUCH!!!!" He then just drew a line on the score sheet and ran off into the bleachers and buried his head in his arms. This might be ok if the fencer was 5 or 6 but this guy was early to middle 20's. I just looked at the other people in my pool and we all started laughing shortly after he went out of earshot.........o k
The knife probably isn't that sturdy. Pretty sharp but the tang isn't that long (you can see where it ends through the hollow end). Also the whetting stone is too rough to really be of use if you want a fine edge on your knife and the compass usually needs a good bit of time to settle or a little coaxing to actually point north. Although at this point the question becomes one of what you really plan to do with the knife. For most people and uses I imagine it would suffice rather nicely...
I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
"Martin was not an optimist; he was a prisoner of hope." Optimism is about assuming there's evidence that justifies your outlook while hope is about creating the evidence and procuring your own happiness or vision of the world. - Professor West
I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
"Martin was not an optimist; he was a prisoner of hope." Optimism is about assuming there's evidence that justifies your outlook while hope is about creating the evidence and procuring your own happiness or vision of the world. - Professor West
One kid was blackcarded for beating up a trashcan. Not sure if they are connected but the cops were there almost all day Sunday.
Worsham beat Bryant-Comstock for the Open MS title, Douglass beat Askari for the U19MS title. Yergler had a great bout with Quinones(sp?) to make the 8(?). Went to time at 8-8, neither could hit consistantly on a flech. Yergs won it in the overtime when for some inexplicable reason Quinones decided to jump in the air and waive his blade around like a rank rookie, which he is not. Yergler hit him and moved on.
As for the awards, there were lots of comments among the refs from outside the section about how great they were compared to the ridiculous plaque/medal type stuff their section gives out for the same event. Guess if you have some several of them over the years they seem mondain but realize, they are better than aorund the country.
Best part of the weekend was Bill Becker buying a new U19MS trophy for the one lost over the years and naming it after Stas Krivosheev. very much a class move for a class kid who is dead way too soon.
Someone asked about a delay, there were 3 refs who were supposed to be there that weren't and some things were delayed due to lack of refs.
As for the awards, there were lots of comments among the refs from outside the section about how great they were compared to the ridiculous plaque/medal type stuff their section gives out for the same event. Guess if you have some several of them over the years they seem mondain but realize, they are better than aorund the country.
Mid-Atlantic Senior Sectionals had these for the top 4 finishers.
:eyeroll:
It's a Sectional Championships with a $60 entry fee ($30 reg, $30/event), and you only give prizes to the top 4 and those prizes are $3 medals? Good grief!
-B
"Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
Mid-Atlantic Senior Sectionals had these for the top 4 finishers.
:eyeroll:
It's a Sectional Championships with a $60 entry fee ($30 reg, $30/event), and you only give prizes to the top 4 and those prizes are $3 medals? Good grief!
-B
Nice, you 'northerners' really have the tounrament running stuff figured out. For all the teasing 'southerners' get you good for nothing northern jerkoffs give out $3 medals for the top 4 of your sectionals. Good job folks. Maybe it's a small event with 10 or so per event. Or, maybe the officers are too lazy to have real awards.
One ref came from Boston to ref and he wanted to move and be in our sectionals after seeing what the awards were. They get plaques for winning. Again, nice job!
I guess your fencers can live in the 'winning this event is it's own reward' line of BS thinking.
I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
"Martin was not an optimist; he was a prisoner of hope." Optimism is about assuming there's evidence that justifies your outlook while hope is about creating the evidence and procuring your own happiness or vision of the world. - Professor West
Nice, you 'northerners' really have the tounrament running stuff figured out. For all the teasing 'southerners' get you good for nothing northern jerkoffs give out $3 medals for the top 4 of your sectionals. Good job folks. Maybe it's a small event with 10 or so per event. Or, maybe the officers are too lazy to have real awards.
One ref came from Boston to ref and he wanted to move and be in our sectionals after seeing what the awards were. They get plaques for winning. Again, nice job!
I guess your fencers can live in the 'winning this event is it's own reward' line of BS thinking.
Dave,
I take great exception to this comment.
I assume you are directing this comment at myself and others who run the larger tournaments up this way (Boston area, North Atlantic Section).
We have nothing to do with the mid-atlantic section at all... what they do for awards is unrelated to what we (NAS) do... oh, and our events are cheaper too ($40/event, so you'd have to fence three events for MAS to be cheaper)...
This was my first year being chair of the section, we gave awards to the top 8 in all events. awards for the top 4 were these: http://www.crystal-awards-gifts.com/F17-18.jpg (F18 we used for 1st and F17 we used for 3rd, 2nd place is a size in between and not shown). They were engraved with the section logo and text detailing the event, date, and location, as well as result. They were very well received and many thanks were given to me for 'Not doing the same boring medals or tacky swords.' It just goes to show that you can't please everyone all the time. Next year we'll do something different so things don't get stale, but we've got a year to figure out what that will be. Customized medals with the section logo and an engraving on the back denoting the event location and place were given to places 5-8. I also received many compliments for the medal we ended up going with (can't find a picture online).
If anyone has any input as to what they'd like to see for awards next year, I'm all for listening, fire away.
Slinging insults at people is rather juvenile. Slinging them at the wrong people is even more so.
Edit: There are also several traveling trophies for events named after people instrumental in the history of our section that go to event champions for the year, they get the year and their name engraved on the plaque on the side and bring it back the next year. Men's Foil has the Albie Axelrod trophy, Women's Epee the Burton Moore trophy, and Men's Epee has the Ralph Goldstein trophy. There is obviously room for growth here, and if anyone has any suggestions, I would entertain them.
-w
Last edited by DJ Apostrophe; 05-07-2007 at 03:31 PM.
Best part of the weekend was Bill Becker buying a new U19MS trophy for the one lost over the years and naming it after Stas Krivosheev. very much a class move for a class kid who is dead way too soon.
This is indeed an appropriate way to replace that trophy. I did not have the pleasure of knowing him before he died, but from what many people have said, had told me, his name deserves to be memorialized.
Of course the contrary viewpoint is that I haven't been at all unhappy with receiving a medal at a national event (whether Championships or a NAC). Somewhat higher quality medal (so, what, $5-6 instead of $3?), but still the same order of prize.
-B
"Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
awards for the top 4 were these: http://www.crystal-awards-gifts.com/F17-18.jpg (F18 we used for 1st and F17 we used for 3rd, 2nd place is a size in between and not shown). They were engraved with the section logo and text detailing the event, date, and location, as well as result.
Those are a nice award for this. And, based on vague recollections, still very reasonably priced.
Especially with a wide variety of such things to choose between each year they maintain the uniqueness quality that helps boost the value of prizes (at least for me -- which helps explain why stock medals rank especially lowly).
-B
"Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
You should take exception to it, but not with me. I didn't make the comment merely reported it but if you feel the need to shoot the messager, no problem. Seeing how I have never been to that event how would I know unless I was told. If you want to know who, pm me(I am not much of a name dropper). Bottom line, if he feels this way, that perception may be more wide spread than you think and maybe something should be done by someone. Actually I think his exact statement was, I win the sabre , pay $60 and win a $3 medal. why bother?
As for the crier it was a men's foil fencer. After losing his bout, of course through no fault of his, he decided it was the trash can's fault and let it know in no uncertain terms.
Nice, you 'northerners' really have the tounrament running stuff figured out. For all the teasing 'southerners' get you good for nothing northern jerkoffs give out $3 medals for the top 4 of your sectionals. Good job folks. Maybe it's a small event with 10 or so per event. Or, maybe the officers are too lazy to have real awards.
YOU said that, no one else. That is my problem.
As for paying $60 and winning a $3 medal, let me repeat what I said earlier, that is NOT my section, that is the mid atlantic section. Whatever they do has nothing to do with me. I agree with Brad, $3 stock medals for a $60 entry fee is lame. That is why I'd never do that.
Also, as I said, this was my first year as section chair. Your imported referee (I think I know who it was, but I'm not going to throw a name out in a public forum either), obviously didn't see the awards as he was at your sectional event and not ours (NAS). This was my first year as chair. I can't take responsibility for previous years.
As for paying $60 and winning a $3 medal, let me repeat what I said earlier, that is NOT my section, that is the mid atlantic section. Whatever they do has nothing to do with me. I agree with Brad, $3 stock medals for a $60 entry fee is lame. That is why I'd never do that.
Also, as I said, this was my first year as section chair. Your imported referee (I think I know who it was, but I'm not going to throw a name out in a public forum either), obviously didn't see the awards as he was at your sectional event and not ours (NAS). This was my first year as chair. I can't take responsibility for previous years.
-w
Gotcha, I will take credit for that. I see so many posts how great events are in the NE and lousy they are 'in the south' and pretty sick of it so yes I will take shots when and where I can. I admit there are those who have a long way to go with tournament logistics in the sunny south but it seems as though we, as a whole, at least get the awards part right. Last larger event I did have FIE jackets for first place.
Maybe I am wrong but it does seem silly to pay so much to fence 'great competition' and win a $3 medal or $10 plaque. Out fencers pay $55 or so to fence in sectionals and they win replica swords of all different kinds. I am not saying medals don't have their place but sectionals is definately not it.
Maybe if better awards we given out north of the mason-dixon line this wouldn't be an issue. Also, I only mentioned it because it was already a topic brought up by someone north of the MD line both on this thread and at the SE sectionals itself, he too was from way north on that line.
As for nationals awards, since they are trying to mimic the olympic awards.... Also, if the LOC wants they can give out more than what comes from the national office, although it is a great expense to do so.
Originally Posted by KD5MDK 
... Thanks Jerry!
