Fencing.net smackdown - BALBOS vs. FatFencer

[Inquartata]

And...he wants to be a sloppy arguer?

[fatfencer]

SNIP!!

And in this corner....a loudmouth asian guy from somewhere in the US midwest.(Try Desert Southwest..) Likes McDonalds but hates McDojos. Claims his "art" (thats ARTSSSS,as in plural, you butt knocker)is true and everyone else here who does MA is a poseur, especially you white guys. SOO True. Silly white guy, fighting is for asians.Able to make 10 year old boys cry by intimidating them to remove their chest protectors,(and old men.. just ask John Farmer) and then hitting them hard to prove they are girly men. Believes everyone here is a wussy, and claims to be able to kick everyones a$$. Really, I can kick everyone on this forums ass. I've never claimed otherwise. Sorry. Not that I really have any desire to. But if theres a gym nearby and some forum regular wants to go NHB Full Contact, hell, why stop there. ANY RULE SET. I'm game.

Lets here it for....FATFENCER!!!!

LETS GET IT ON!!!!!![/quote]

[fatfencer]

SNIP!!

And in this corner....a loudmouth asian guy from somewhere in the US midwest.(Try Desert Southwest..) Likes McDonalds but hates McDojos. Claims his "art" (thats ARTSSSS,as in plural, you butt knocker)is true and everyone else here who does MA is a poseur, especially you white guys. SOO True. Silly white guy, fighting is for asians.Able to make 10 year old boys cry by intimidating them to remove their chest protectors,(and old men.. just ask John Farmer) and then hitting them hard to prove they are girly men. Believes everyone here is a wussy, and claims to be able to kick everyones a$$. Really, I can kick everyone on this forums ass. I've never claimed otherwise. Sorry. Not that I really have any desire to. But if theres a gym nearby and some forum regular wants to go NHB Full Contact, hell, why stop there. ANY RULE SET. I'm game.

Lets here it for....FATFENCER!!!!

LETS GET IT ON!!!!!![/quote]


Sigh.... I get out but you poseurs just PULL ME BACK IN!!!

Fatfencer

[fatfencer]

I dont do martial arts.I used to box competitively.I had my share of streetfights and I also kicked the **** out of people as a bouncer.
If I get my hands on you,I would knock you out into the next decade.
How many legit NHB matches do you have?
You are way to cheeky for a little asian kung fu *master*.
If you think a few fancy kicks or tricks will save you from athletic 200 pounds of muscle boxing machine,good luck!

The other thing is your comment that you can kick everyones ass on this forum is ridiculous.It shows perception of a small child claiming his father is the strongest in the world.
I am really a tough fighter.My brother and I are notourious for it.Its just natural,like some people are good at math or have great memory.It is what it is.We are fast to start a fight and we know how to fight.Both of us trained several combat sports,but didnt have discipline to get medals or titles in it.
That said,I am quite certain,there are people on this forum that can kick my ass easily.And anybody with some decent fighting experience would tell you that there is always somebody faster,with more skills,stronger or you have a bad day and you get hammered.
If you are so keen on fighting,why dont you challenge some black thug who is surviving on the streets and teach him a fighting lesson?
Shut up and go back to your Playstation Mortal Combat where you rule![/quote]

Do us all a favor and put your mouth to good use. Get under my desk.

Fatfencer

[Inquartata]

Meh, why am I picturing you as two of the guys in the Alltel commercial, slamming each others' laptops closed?

[Slim]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Meh, why am I picturing you as two of the guys in the Alltel commercial, slamming each others' laptops closed?

Hmm...I dont know about that. My sense is that they are both probably semi-capable fighters on some level. I'd like to see them go at it.

How about a pay-per-view webcast of the event where the revenue would be used to defray BALBOS' travel expenses to Arizona? After the promoter is paid, of course.

My money would be on BALBOS, for sure.

[erooMynohtnA]

Originally Posted by fatfencer

The other thing is your comment that you can kick everyones ass on this forum is ridiculous.It shows perception of a small child claiming his father is the strongest in the world.

Are you sure?

Originally Posted by fatfencer

You know, quite honestly there isn't anyone in the USFA that can kick my ass in a no holds barred fight.

[fatfencer]

Originally Posted by erooMynohtnA

Are you sure?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure...willing to bet money on it too.

FF

[fatfencer]

Originally Posted by Slim

Hmm...I dont know about that. My sense is that they are both probably semi-capable fighters on some level. I'd like to see them go at it.

How about a pay-per-view webcast of the event where the revenue would be used to defray BALBOS' travel expenses to Arizona? After the promoter is paid, of course.

My money would be on BALBOS, for sure.

I'm just curious... why? I've never seen him. I'm also 200lbs. My sense is that he's really some idiot from tennessee or something. I sincerely doubt he's in the Ukraine or wherever. Maybe he is... yawn. Maybe he isnt... yawn.

But just remember, no holds barred means just that. Submission or Knockout. Nothing else saves you. There are no rules.

Fatfencer.

[Lord Gorlock]

Up above you posted you could beat any fencer on here under "any ruleset". My rules are the following:

Rule 1: I win
Rule 2: You lose


In all seriousness, I've done BJJ for 6 years now. I started fencing as a change of pace and have recently fallen in love with it after a month or so. Are you saying you could beat me, a 6 year veteran in a BJJ match?

[erooMynohtnA]

Originally Posted by fatfencer

I'm just curious... why? I've never seen him. I'm also 200lbs. My sense is that he's really some idiot from tennessee or something. I sincerely doubt he's in the Ukraine or wherever. Maybe he is... yawn. Maybe he isnt... yawn.

But just remember, no holds barred means just that. Submission or Knockout. Nothing else saves you. There are no rules.

Fatfencer.

It is my suspicion that if you've researched this fellow enough to know his weight and general area, you know he's from Croatia.

But, I'm glad you've read the latest article in Internet Tough Guy Monthly, The Strong and Silent Type: when to play it cool.

[fatfencer]

Originally Posted by Lord Gorlock

Up above you posted you could beat any fencer on here under "any ruleset". My rules are the following:

Rule 1: I win
Rule 2: You lose


In all seriousness, I've done BJJ for 6 years now. I started fencing as a change of pace and have recently fallen in love with it after a month or so. Are you saying you could beat me, a 6 year veteran in a BJJ match?

Ummm how do I put this bluntly. NO... I could beat you in a NHB fight with no rulse set whatsoever but submissions and knockouts. I used to live in Mtn View Cali about 6 blocks from Gracie BJJ. I'm more than familiar and used to train there occasionally. Incidentally, Tim Lajcik used to have Gladiators Gym up in Redwood City. Eloy Ramirez I think was a boxing coach there. He was pretty famous. I did get on the mat for their beginners class but discovered that BJJ was best done with the Gracies, IMHO. But! BJJ isn't all that. It never has been.

You've been training about as long as I've been retired from active coaching and competition. The average USFA member from what I've seen here that has some martial background worth mentioning is about 6 yrs. It's not all that much.

That doesn't mean you are a bad person. It just means that you aren't likely to be walking up to me and handing me my ass. I'm sure you're a fine martial artist. I don't know you and you haven't posted enough for me to think that you are a poseur. I do know that many here who claim some martial arts skill are, by and large, a bunch of poseurs. Sad thing is that theres one here who is a cop who also thinks he's a bad ass MA-ist. Sorry. Not likely.

Best of luck to you. Train hard! Or better yet, train to be a fencer. This way you get to train and not hurt people and still get better at a skill worth mentioning.

I do know many on here are poseurs. Some think I am. Most who know any martial arts in depth at all probably don't think that though. Either way I could care less. If anyone wants a shot come take it. It just isn't going to go their way though. It just isn't.

Fatfencer
PS: Lord Gorlock, I should have realized you were too young. I couldn't NHB with you even if I wanted to...I've been training a LOT longer than you. I do want to encourage you to train diligently. It's great fun and Martial arts is a LOT more than fighting, its about refining the dross inherent in every being and getting at the precious 'metal' inside everyone of us. Sadly, many people never get there.. and that includes many poseurs on this forum. If you train for the right reasons you might just find the MA becomes a lifelong hobby that allows you to protect yourself at all times, help others and yourself too.

I never found training much fun. If I had it to do over again I'd do fencing in a heartbeat. But, I don't I can only make the best of the time I have now. So, I spend my time fencing. Consider doing the same. These guys like Balbos remind me of Italians who just saw Rocky. All mouth, no nuts.

Again, I encourage you to train diligently, whatever the sport or MA. Best of luck to you.

Fatfencer

[Mr BadGuy]

I hate to be the BadGuy here (I really, really do), but the following irked me a bit.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

But if theres a gym nearby and some forum regular wants to go NHB Full Contact, hell, why stop there. ANY RULE SET. I'm game

Originally Posted by fatfencer

Ummm how do I put this bluntly. NO... I could beat you in a NHB fight with no rulse set whatsoever but submissions and knockouts.

I see no contradictions there. After specifically saying you'd fight under any rule set, you then say you couldn't beat him in a BJJ ruleset fight, but you could in a NHB ruleset fight. I just thought that was funny. The real reason I've bothered to post is the following:

Originally Posted by fatfencer

But! BJJ isn't all that. It never has been.

...Which is why the gracies are doing so bad, and why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu isn't integrated into every serious mixed martial artists game today. Oh, wait...

[fatfencer]

[quote=Mr BadGuy;565828]I hate to be the BadGuy here (I really, really do), but the following irked me a bit.





I see no contradictions there. After specifically saying you'd fight under any rule set, you then say you couldn't beat him in a BJJ ruleset fight, but you could in a NHB ruleset fight. I just thought that was funny. The real reason I've bothered to post is the following:

OK, OK, so do you seriously want me to agree to a hugging match and call that fighting? Sorry no. I'll clarify. NHB or any ruleset EXCEPT hugging. He can use bjj. I'll use it too. But then again, Ill use other stuff too. Besides, he REALLY doesn't want to go to the ground with me. I loooove small joint manipulation. Oh, I know, thats illegal in UFC...but thats LONG SINCE stopped being true NHB. Just to be clear, what I meant was I'll take anything to any level but I'd prefer it to be a true street fight. the ONLY rules being submission, or knockout. or tko.



...Which is why the gracies are doing so bad,(Gracies havent won a title match in years.. sorry to break it to you. and why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu isn't integrated into every serious mixed martial artists game today.

It was, but more accurately, stand up fighters learned how to better stop it going to the ground. Look at Chuck Liddell, Rampage Jackson, Matt Hughes... need I go on? Didn't matt hughes beat the absolute **** out of Royce Gracie?

Yes yes tried for an arm bar, but Royce got the **** beat out of him.Oh, wait... Royler is sport bjj gi only, the machados have retreated to teaching, rickson is essentially retired(he was their best btw) and rorion is too frigging old. Currently, there is NO, NOT ONE bjj purist in the top 5 of ANY mma format, not Pride, not bodog, not UFC.

Oh wait indeed. Everyone whos at the top are basic, basic strikers ONLY, with enough rudimentary ground skills to make their striking useful when the clinch get broken.

There hasn't been a triangle choke in a title fight SINCE Royce was in his prime. All you see now days are rear naked chokes, arm bars, and MAYBE a kimura but only, ONLY in the lower weight classes. I got news for you. I've seen ALL of the above taught at a SILAT demo by Maha Guru Victor De Thouars. HARDLY MMA!!!

Get real pal. You wanna argue fighting with me get up earlier, practice harder, go get your ass kicked some...just plain LEARN something before you say something.

I'm sure Lord Gorlock is a nice guy, but hes got a serious reality check coming to him if he thinks bjj is the same as street fighting. If you think they are the same then you are an idiot.

If he ever wants to challenge me, he can. You can too. Nothing stopping any of you.

Fatfencer

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by fatfencer

There hasn't been a triangle choke in a title fight SINCE Royce was in his prime. All you see now days are rear naked chokes, arm bars, and MAYBE a kimura but only, ONLY in the lower weight classes.

Meh, I've been watching a lot of these IFL and Bodog fights on TV lately, and all you ever seem to see are guillotine, guillotine, guillotine.

But say, does "any rule set" mean that you can beat my M14 from concealment? I might take you up on that one.

Seriously, what's with the claims of "ultimate fighting" and "no holds barred" in these fights, anyway? There's no small joint manipulation, as you mentioned. I have yet to see an elbow strike of any kind. I suspect there's no biting or gouging. No knees to this area or that area, "watch the groin", no kicking on the ground, and on and on. Isn't it false advertising, really, to call this "no holds barred"?

Enzo Gracie clinging to a standing opponent like a monkey to a tree trunk. Feh.

[Lord Gorlock]

Originally Posted by fatfencer

I'm sure Lord Gorlock is a nice guy, but hes got a serious reality check coming to him if he thinks bjj is the same as street fighting. If you think they are the same then you are an idiot.

It's pretty obvious I don't think BJJ is the same as street fighting, which is why I made the distinction. You just made a claim that you could beat anybody under any rule set, which is silly.

I would, however, like to hear the rules of a so called "No-Holds-Barred" fight, or at least your interpretation of them. It's funny that you say you don't want to do a grappling match, but you keep using the term that allows any holds/grappling techniques =P.

I don't think Mr. BadGuy's point was that there were a lot of BJJ purists, but a lot of people that also train in BJJ in addition to what they're doing. I like your list there, but you left out Anderson Silva.

There hasn't been a triangle choke in a title fight SINCE Royce was in his prime.

Anderson Silva put Travis Luter in a Triangle Choke. He tapped from the choke. That was a title fight, if I recall.

Also, if you can get small joint manipulation on a guy you're grappling with, they ain't doing BJJ. They're either scrubs or posers.

[fatfencer]

[quote=Lord Gorlock;566143]It's pretty obvious I don't think BJJ is the same as street fighting, which is why I made the distinction. You just made a claim that you could beat anybody under any rule set, which is silly.

The simple truth is that BJJ does allow punching to the face and kicking too, but it favors ground grappling. As long as I can punch or kick you, I can beat you comfortably. Hell, I can submit you too. I'm more than at home on the ground. Truth is I don't think you are good enough with your '6 years' to take me on. But hey, when you turn 18, find me at the next NAC.

I would, however, like to hear the rules of a so called "No-Holds-Barred" fight, or at least your interpretation of them.
Simple: no rules at all. Submission or knockout or tko(if something major gets broken where someone can no longer defend themselves.) So that includes, headbutting, eyegauging, biting(kino mutai), small joint manipulation. You know. REAL FIGHTING.

It's funny that you say you don't want to do a grappling match, but you keep using the term that allows any holds/grappling techniques =P.

Again, see above. you and I can attempt to grapple all we want whenever you wish(after you become a consenting adult of course). But I just don't like calling a traditional judo or jujitsu match, gi or no gi, FIGHTING. Because thats simply NOT what it is. But make no mistake, I'm confident I can submit you.

I don't think Mr. BadGuy's point was that there were a lot of BJJ purists, but a lot of people that also train in BJJ in addition to what they're doing. I like your list there, but you left out Anderson Silva.



Anderson Silva put Travis Luter in a Triangle Choke. He tapped from the choke. That was a title fight, if I recall. When was this? News to me... but then again its the exception that proves the rule. It's only happened ONCE in recent times...
Also, if you can get small joint manipulation on a guy you're grappling with, they ain't doing BJJ. They're either scrubs or posers. Make no mistake, I had loads of fun submitting people of all ranks using qin na or small joint. In fact I was told it was verboten and if I continued to do it I wouldn't be welcome to train with them due to the fact it's so injurious and well, painful. Use your brain. there is a reason its not allowed in Pride or UFC. It works too well.[/QUOTE]


The bottom line is this. Lord Gorlock. I wish you well. When you turn 18 feel free to challenge me at a NAC. Or don't. You don't have to give me any advance warning at all. Just come up, tap me on the shoulder, bow in, and ask to challenge me at a local dojo. i'll be happy to oblige. Hell, we can even forget the true streetfighting stuff and just go for the watered-down UFC style. Makes no difference to me. You, this entire forum, can come and do the same. But hear me, the offer for the watered down stuff is for you, Lord Gorlock only. The rest, its full on street fighting. I offer this to you solely because you are so much younger than me, and it'll probably end up as a training session for you. I really hope you are good.....

Best of luck. Train Hard!

Fatfencer

[fatfencer]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Meh, I've been watching a lot of these IFL and Bodog fights on TV lately, and all you ever seem to see are guillotine, guillotine, guillotine.

But say, does "any rule set" mean that you can beat my M14 from concealment? I might take you up on that one.

Seriously, what's with the claims of "ultimate fighting" and "no holds barred" in these fights, anyway? There's no small joint manipulation, as you mentioned. I have yet to see an elbow strike of any kind. I suspect there's no biting or gouging. No knees to this area or that area, "watch the groin", no kicking on the ground, and on and on. Isn't it false advertising, really, to call this "no holds barred"?

Enzo Gracie clinging to a standing opponent like a monkey to a tree trunk. Feh.

I agree, NHB isn't really NHB...sad!!!

Fatfencer