Racial Fencing...?

[SJB]

nope, canada, sauf mes amis québécois

Le Quebecios, en dépit de ce qu'elles vous indiquent, sont des Canadiens aussi .

[SJB]

Maybe you should live here before you say something so hurtful and insulting. Canada isn't immune to racism: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/...ta-050301.html

I really don't think this thread is going anywhere good. Stirring people up to hurt feelings and make racist comments is definitely not helping to bring about world peace.

Hey, I may not have lived there but I have traveled throughout the US, 25 states to be exact, to know aspects of culture.

My joke, which no one managed to take as such and now I suppose I should explain , is based on when I went to South Carolina for the Greenville NAC in 2001.

My cab driver, a African-American man, was pointing out the sites. We passed Bob Jones University and I asked if it was a good school.

He was reply was that it just dropped it's interacial dating ban a year ago.

The fact that a full ban on interacial dating, at a post-secondary institute , could exist until the year 2000 blew my pleasantly tolerant Canadian mind.

Canada may have rascism, yes , as does every country to some degree, but a situation like that is unheard of in Canada.

[erooMynohtnA]

Hey, I may not have lived there but I have traveled throughout the US, 25 states to be exact, to know aspects of culture.

My joke, which no one managed to take as such and now I suppose I should explain , is based on when I went to South Carolina for the Greenville NAC in 2003.

My cab driver, a African-American man, was pointing out the sites. We passed Bob Jones University and I asked if it was a good school.

He was reply was that it just dropped it's interacial dating ban three years ago.

The fact that a full ban on interacial dating, at a post-secondary institute , could exist until the year 2000 blew my pleasantly tolerant Canadian mind.

Canada may have rascism, yes , as does every country to some degree, but a situation like that is unheard of in Canada.

I don't think Bob Jones is an accurate or fair representation of anywhere. I wasn't aware Bob Jones University was even fully integrated yet.

While it may be post secondary institute technically, I don't know if I would call it education.

[SJB]

I don't think Bob Jones is an accurate or fair representation of anywhere. I wasn't aware Bob Jones University was even fully integrated yet.

While it may be post secondary institute technically, I don't know if I would call it education.

I agree. When I heard about this I didn't assume every US University must be like it. Having friends in other schools let me know otherwise.

Just the fact that it was allowed to exist with a policy like that though, frightened me.

[Phrogger]

Hey, I may not have lived there but I have traveled throughout the US, 25 states to be exact, to know aspects of culture.

My joke, which no one managed to take as such and now I suppose I should explain , is based on when I went to South Carolina for the Greenville NAC in 2001.

My cab driver, a African-American man, was pointing out the sites. We passed Bob Jones University and I asked if it was a good school.

He was reply was that it just dropped it's interacial dating ban a year ago.

The fact that a full ban on interacial dating, at a post-secondary institute , could exist until the year 2000 blew my pleasantly tolerant Canadian mind.

Canada may have rascism, yes , as does every country to some degree, but a situation like that is unheard of in Canada.

Bob Jones University is well known as an ultra-conservative evangelical Christian school. They also had bans on women wearing pants and hand-holding on campus. You are taking an extreme example and using it to concude what Southerners "must be like." I seem to remember a couple of years ago Ontario was actually considering allowing Muslims to use Sharia law in Canada to settle disputes. To think that anyone could even consider allowing the oppression of women in 2005 is pretty unheard of here. Let's stop using isolated and extreme examples to characterize people, please.

[rcmatthews]

Le Quebecios, en dépit de ce qu'elles vous indiquent, sont des Canadiens aussi .

mais ils ne font pas partie du 51e état. Dans ma vision du monde, québec serait un autre pays.

[tkexi991]

rolleyes: Let's stop using isolated and extreme examples to characterize people, please.

Isn't that the whole point of this thread?

[SJB]

Bob Jones University is well known as an ultra-conservative evangelical Christian school. They also had bans on women wearing pants and hand-holding on campus. You are taking an extreme example and using it to concude what Southerners "must be like." I seem to remember a couple of years ago Ontario was actually considering allowing Muslims to use Sharia law in Canada to settle disputes. To think that anyone could even consider allowing the oppression of women in 2005 is pretty unheard of here. Let's stop using isolated and extreme examples to characterize people, please.

I do not consider every southerner to be an ignorant bible thumping homophobic rascist. Hearing about Bob Jones University, after traveling through the Southern US prior to that did not lead me to conclude this is what southerners "must be like". Even at 21, I knew better.

Given the amount I've traveled and friends I have made, Southerners are not much different (minus the accents) than most people I know.

As for the Sharia law in Ontario, that was in reaction to Jewish and Catholic families being able to use their respective religious arbitration bodies. The Muslims wanted the same ability. The governments response was to ban all religious based tribunals.

[SJB]

mais ils ne font pas partie du 51e état. Dans ma vision du monde, québec serait un autre pays.

Dans leur esprit le Québec est également un autre pays. Cependant, ils ne pourront jamais avoir les moyens de devenir leur propre pays.

[Hollywood Troy]

Umm...Maybe to get back on point....No, saberists aren't fat on the west coast. Anyone fencing sabre in Los Angeles is thin, athletic and has movie star good looks.

I don't see too many asians fencing epee, but I don't see too many over 6ft tall either.

[piste off]

I don't see too many asians fencing epee, but I don't see too many over 6ft tall either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Lei_(fencing)

I think he is about 6'3" and 220.

Rick

[Kenji]

WoW is an abbrevation of World of Warcraft, a MMORPG. It's a very popular computer game.

I like how you throw another acronym in the definition of an acronym. Somehow, I can't imagine someone who doesn't know what WoW stands for knowing what an MMORPG is =P

[piste off]

Bob Jones University is well known as an ultra-conservative evangelical Christian school. They also had bans on women wearing pants ...

Now THAT is not what I would call conservative!!!



Rick

[Gav]

You guys should be told something.

I have just read this thread and felt my heart sink. It [kind of] reminds me of the "women in fencing" thread we had a wee while ago. That was one of the most stupid exchanges of idiocy I'd read in a long time - and now this. There are some things that I read from across the pond that make me think "only in America" - this obsession with race and how that relates to fencing has just been added to the list.

There may or may not be a racial bias in fencing* - so what?

I am not sure whether MessiahFencer was trolling or not. His insistence on his observations smacks of typical teenage peer-reinforced stereotyping. We all do that to a certain degree. I can say that my experience of the fencing world is that there are fencers of all races and creeds and that is it. It's how you perform that defines you as a fencer.

* In terms of which race gravitates to which discipline.

[epeeinacup666]

... I can say that my experience of the fencing world is that there are fencers of all races and creeds and that is it. It's how you perform that defines you as a fencer.

word to that,bro!

[rcmatthews]

I'm not a racist because I pretty much dislike everyone equally.

[cl00bie]

This, my friend, is a very slippery slope. . .
I would say that certain demographic groups tend to gravitate toward fencing in general more than others. I would guess that it is more of a reflection of cultural or sub-cultural traditions and values.

I was told that 10% of the population are left handed, but 25% of the upper echelon fencers are. Is this correct? And if so, what might be the reason?

[tbryan]

I was told that 10% of the population are left handed, but 25% of the upper echelon fencers are. Is this correct? And if so, what might be the reason?

It's because of a conspiracy among rated referees code-named LTLW (Let the Lefty Win). If you look on the official referee study guide, you'll see several questions, such as

255. Fencer X parries Y’s attack and makes an immediate compound riposte (with the arm extending during the feint), while Y makes a simple, direct remise. Both touches arrive on the valid surface within the
same tempo.
a. award a touch for X
a. award a touch for Y
c. award a touch for Y if Y is left-handed; otherwise, award a touch for X

The answer is, of course, C. After all, "stop hit" is just code for "counter attack by a lefty, so I'm giving him the touch even if you hit."

Shhhh....don't tell anyone that I let you in on the secret.

[KD5MDK]

That's why the strangest bouts are between two left-handers. The referee has no idea who has right of way and neither do the fencers.