USFA Membership and Rating Data - data

[JEC]

USFA data - all sections including national div.

Weapon ---------- Saber ------ Epee ------ Foil

Total Fencers ---- 18185 ----- 18185 ----- 18185
Rated Fencers ---- 1875 ------ 3291 ------ 3464

A rated fencers ----- 101 ------ 368 ------ 207
B rated fencers ----- 206 ------ 546 ------ 347
C rated fencers ----- 300 ------ 667 ------ 631
D rated fencers ----- 435 ------ 739 ------ 888
E rated fencers ----- 833 ------ 971 ------ 1391

U unrated fencers -- 16310 --- 14894 --- 14721

[seven6ty]

This is from what, 2006, or no?

[oiuyt]

That looks like the 4/4/07 data.

-B

[JEC]

GENDER

Women - 5,491 fencers
Men - 12,685 fencers
"N" (undetermined) - 9 fencers (at least 7 have male names)


AGE (Year of Birth) and Gender

Female 1946 or earlier -72 fencers (VET -60) with 23 in the VET-70 category
Female 1947-1956 - 268 fencers (VET-50)
Female 1957-1966 - 427 fencers (VET-40)
Female 1967-1978 - 376 fencers
Female 1979-1985 - 430 fencers
Female 1986-1989 - 1,302 fencers
Female 1990-1993 - 1,785 fencers
Female 1994-1998 - 799 fencers
Female 1999 or earlier - 23 fencers
* 9 women fencers have undetermined age


Male 1946 or earlier -393 fencers (VET -60) with 141 in the VET-70 category
Male 1947-1956 - 914 fencers (VET-50)
Male 1957-1966 - 1,037 fencers (VET-40)
Male 1967-1978 - 1,066 fencers
Male 1979-1985 - 1,162 fencers (+ 1 undetermined gender)
Male 1986-1989 - 2,361 fencers (+ 4 undetermined gender)
Male 1990-1993 - 3,584 fencers (+ 2 undetermined gender)
Male 1994-1998 - 2,066 fencers (+ 2 undetermined gender)
Male 1999 or earlier - 75 fencers
* 27 male fencers have undetermined age

[JEC]

That looks like the 4/4/07 data.

-B

In a prior thread, I noticed that the 4/4 data did not have the national division posted yesterday. That data was added earlier this morning. The purpose of this thread as compared to the other ones is to consolidate DATA. I plan to post weapon ratings data in relation to sections to assess regional variations. Could you predict without looking at data whether the Pacific NW has better or worse saber, epee and foil RATINGs as compared to national data? Coaching plays a major role in obtaining GOOD results, which might also reflect as Ratings.

It is interesting that Askfred.Net has data in over 22,000 fencers without complete national penetration, but there is USFA data in only 18,135 fencers?

[qatet]

It is interesting that Askfred.Net has data in over 22,000 fencers without complete national penetration, but there is USFA data in only 18,135 fencers?

Perhaps those who were members last year or the year before, but not this year?

[JEC]

Perhaps those who were members last year or the year before, but not this year?

Certainly, Askfred has been around for about 3-4 years now.

[KD5MDK]

I was under the impression the USFA had 20,000 or so fencers. If we have 18000 now, and I'd say unlikely to pick up too many memberships before the end of the year, are we shrinking or was I misremembering the historical numbers?

[oiuyt]

18,000 is competitive members. All those parents (and coach-associate, etc., etc.) count towards the overall totals, but not the competitive membership.

-B

[KD5MDK]

That does make a bit of a difference.

[debrobjosh]

USFA data - all sections including national div.

Weapon ---------- Saber ------ Epee ------ Foil

Rated Fencers ---- 1875 ------ 3291 ------ 3464

A rated fencers ----- 101 ------ 368 ------ 207
B rated fencers ----- 206 ------ 546 ------ 347
C rated fencers ----- 300 ------ 667 ------ 631
D rated fencers ----- 435 ------ 739 ------ 888
E rated fencers ----- 833 ------ 971 ------ 1391

JAC
Would you be so kind as to also post the breakdown of rated fencers by gender. Thanks

Side note on how to use this info:
NJ is having its D3 quals this weekend, and MS has 60 signed up and askfred projects it being a C2. There are 16 Ds signed up, and to get it up to a C3 requires 24 Ds. Using the new division info, I see that there are "only" 32 eligible male Ds in the whole division, so to get the C3, 75% of all Ds would have to show up.

If I was a truly crazed parent, I could work the list to see if I could brow beat 8 lower skilled Ds to show up and increase my son’s chances of getting a C. But I am not that crazed, and besides my son would whack me with his sabre if I even tried, but it is an interesting ploy.

[parrythis]

I'm not sure how this:

Total Fencers ---- 18185 ----- 18185 ----- 18185

can be accurate. It seems to assume that all competitive fencers fence all three weapons. This is not true. I have never picked up a sabre in my life and would not expect to see myself listed in the "total sabre fencers" column.

As such, this:

U unrated fencers -- 16310 --- 14894 --- 14721

cannot be accurate either since it seems to be derived from total fencers minus rated fencers.

Since the "total fencers" in any given weapon looks shakey, any conclusions drawn about whether any given weapon has a higher percentage of (highly)rated fencers would also appear to be shakey.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

But on the other hand, the fact that A's make up 5% of the sabre ratings, 6% of the foil ratings, and 11% of the epee ratings are not shaky.

[JEC]

But on the other hand, the fact that A's make up 5% of the sabre ratings, 6% of the foil ratings, and 11% of the epee ratings are not shaky.

A's are 0.6% (saber), 3.0% (epee) and 1.1% (foil) of the available fencers. True many fencers limit themselves to a single weapon or two. The numbers quoted by MyrddinsPrecint are for those who have a rating in that particular weapon.

[peet]

It is interesting that Askfred.Net has data in over 22,000 fencers without complete national penetration, but there is USFA data in only 18,135 fencers?

Yeah, FRED has lots of old fencers in the data that are probably no longer members. Note however, that FRED decays their ratings each summer anyway, so the ratings data is still accurate to what they would be were the fencer to re-join the USFA.

Certainly, Askfred has been around for about 3-4 years now.

Actually, FRED has been around since late 2001, and even has some results from 2000. Use outside the NW started in 2002, IIRC.

cheers!

-p

[MyrddinsPrecint]

A's are 0.6% (saber), 3.0% (epee) and 1.1% (foil) of the available fencers. True many fencers limit themselves to a single weapon or two. The numbers quoted by MyrddinsPrecint are for those who have a rating in that particular weapon.

.... Yes, I was very specifically saying that, because the difference between, say, foil and sabre isn't really as big as these numbers make it sound. The point is that neither of our numbers are fully accurate, I just tend to think that my numbers are at the very least more useful.

[Wafath]

More dumb stats:

There are three fencers with an 07 rating in all three weapons:

Urgelles-Diaz, Isael
Jno-Finn, Davis
Hogan, Benjamin A

6416 members have at least one rank.

Ranking fencers based on their combined weapon rankings gives the top 10 three weapon fencers:

Seal, Julie T
Meehan, Justin X
Gutkovskiy, Stanislav *
Marsh-Senic, Ann E
Stroud, Andrew N
Herrod, Christopher N
Sexton III, Ray L
Pipkin, Joseph M
Tsen, Fitzgerald *
Baker, Bradley (Brad) J

W

[JEC]

Female fencers

Weapon ……............ Saber …….... Epee ……..... Foil

Total Fencers …....... 5491 …....... 5491 …....... 5491
Rated Fencers …....... 469 …......... 734 …......... 869

A rated fencers …….... 35 ……........ 75 ……...... 62
B rated fencers …….... 62 ……...... 109 ……...... 86
C rated fencers …….... 77 ……...... 162 ……..... 140
D rated fencers …….... 92 ……...... 154 ……..... 195
E rated fencers ……... 203 ……...... 234 ……..... 386
U unrated fencers ... 5022 …….... 4757 …….... 4622



Male Fencers (+ 9 undetermined gender with male-like names: sam, todd, henry…)

Weapon ……............. Saber …….... Epee ……..... Foil

Total Fencers …....... 12694 …..... 12694 …...... 12694
Rated Fencers …........ 1406 …...... 2557 …........ 2595

A rated fencers ……...... 66 ……...... 293 ……...... .145
B rated fencers ……..... 144 ……...... 437 ……...... 261
C rated fencers ……..... 223 ……...... 505 ……...... 491
D rated fencers ……..... 343 ……...... 585 ……...... 693
E rated fencers ……..... 630 ……...... 737 ……..... 1005
U unrated fencers ... 11288 ……... 10137 ……... 10099

Source: 4/4/07 data posted on USFA website

[larkmaj]

Now we can have fun with numbers and supplement discussion elsewhere.

Quick statistics, rated female fencers over total rated fencers:
Sabre: 25%
Epee: 22.3%
Foil: 25%
Total: 24%

Total women over total fencers: 30.2%

Although I think this relates to a slightly dead discussion.

[KD5MDK]

From that, there are nearly 2X as many male Sabre As as female, a bit more than 2X as many male foil As as female, and not quite 4X as many male Epee As as female.

Curious.