USFA Membership and Rating Data - data

[JEC]

For example, I am sure Ariana Klinkov enjoys have a D04 in Foil and Epee.

No, D03.

------------------- Saber --- Epee ---- Foil
Klinkov, Ariana -- B03 --- D03 ---- D03

In Aug. '07, the ratings will become C07/E07/E07

[mfp]

The latest version of the data on the USFA site now includes those foreign competitive members who have their home country as their divisions, adds USFA membership numbers, deletes everyone's birth years for privacy reasons, lists non-competitive members and states "This list is updated once weekly, on Wednesdays".

[JEC]

The new downloadable file includes the membership ID number, and it lists now: 18358 "competitive fencers", and 1329 non-competitive members for a total of 19687 USFA members.

[larkmaj]

I find it interesting that the csv list seems to be organized by club yet the clubs aren't listed. Which I still don't understand why they don't list the club even on the cards. The member IDs are great though.

[oso97]

I find it interesting that the csv list seems to be organized by club yet the clubs aren't listed. Which I still don't understand why they don't list the club even on the cards. The member IDs are great though.

Believe me, I've been trying to get a straight answer out of them on this one since the beginning. As you point out, its not listed on the cards. And so, there is ZERO way for a member to check and see that their membership was processed properly.

Supposedly there is some noise about how NCAA rules prevent it, but I wasn't under the impression that the USFA is a member, subsidiary or otherwise component organization of the NCAA.

[fencerbill]

Supposedly there is some noise about how NCAA rules prevent it, but I wasn't under the impression that the USFA is a member, subsidiary or otherwise component organization of the NCAA.

Well it is obvious that the USFA leans over backwards to avoid conflict with NCAA rules. Thus the concessions about club representation in and out of season.

Really no reason not to be cooperative since so many of the internationally competitive fencers are on college teams and the international results benefit from the college training programs and access to the, generally, excellent coaching.

[oso97]

Well it is obvious that the USFA leans over backwards to avoid conflict with NCAA rules. Thus the concessions about club representation in and out of season.

Really no reason not to be cooperative since so many of the internationally competitive fencers are on college teams and the international results benefit from the college training programs and access to the, generally, excellent coaching.

Cooperative, sure. No problem with that, everyone makes nice and we all pretend that NCAA fencers >never< fence with anyone outside their college teams *eyeroll*.

I've got issues though with that cooperation preventing the other 99.9% of the USFA from being able to check and see what club the USFA has them recorded as representing.

[JEC]

I had promised Vet data, here it is for the girls first.

There are: 765 competitive women veteran fencers who were born in 1966 or earlier (all look like born in '75)

- 67 have sabre ratings
- 139 have epee ratings
- 145 have foil ratings


Saber:
1 A03, 9 B's, 14 C's, 9 D's, 34 E's

Epee:
6 A's, 23 B's, 33 C's, 27 D's, 50 E's

Foil:
1 A06, 10 B's, 28 C's, 27 D's, 79 E's

Data: 4/4/07 USFA website - (had birthyears)

[JEC]

I had promised Vet data, here it is for the guys.

There are: 2338 competitive men veteran fencers who were born in 1966 or earlier

- 275 have sabre ratings
- 674 have epee ratings
- 543 have foil ratings


Saber:
6 A's, 25 B's, 37 C's, 73 D's, 134 E's

Epee:
70 A's, 117 B's, 118 C's, 151 D's, 218 E's

Foil:
15 A's, 44 B's, 93 C's, 146 D's, 245 E's

Data: 4/4/07 USFA website - (had birthyears)

[ysbadadden]

Is there a way to tell how many individuals entered any competitions in each weapon? That would give a more complete picture than taking the total unrated USFA membership as the total for each weapon.

That said, many thanks for presenting the data!

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Is there a way to tell how many individuals entered any competitions in each weapon? That would give a more complete picture than taking the total unrated USFA membership as the total for each weapon.

That said, many thanks for presenting the data!

No. It's not included in the data we now have from the USFA site, and while we might glean something from Fred on it, Fred doesn't include every event, and is concentrated in certain geographical areas more than others, so the data would probably be skewed.

Yeah, we know that that would be the better data to use, we just don't have it.

[oiuyt]

Note that the USFA National Office doesn't have that information. When a local division runs an event they don't tell the USFA everyone who entered.

-B

[JEC]

Is there a way to tell how many individuals entered any competitions in each weapon? That would give a more complete picture than taking the total unrated USFA membership as the total for each weapon.

That said, many thanks for presenting the data!

However, an indirect and imperfect surrogate marker would be the number of people who have received "any" rating. That is a reason why I reported that number, specifically.